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Wikileaks is an enemy of the United States

deepatrax said:
you don't get to decide which info gets exposed.
Neither does Assange.

We elect people to do that.

And if it gets leaked and turns out NOT to document illegal activities...then those responsible for the leak should be held accountable.
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You're obviously wrong, since Assange already made the decision.

I can read all of it, should I want to.

And there's nothing you can do about it.

And it won't be the last time either, information technology is good at that.
 
deepatrax said:
There is ample U.S. law which dictates that an American releasing classified info without permission is illegal.

You deny this?
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I dispute it. I don't believe it is always necessarily illegal to publish or release classified information without authorisation, so I would like to know which particular law you are referring to.
 
Maybe the Mossad will take this guy for a swim.

They seem to get away with this kinda **** all the time.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I thought this was about the wikileaks guy, who is not American.
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you should really re-read my posts...since I've clarified repeatedly that:

1) any Americans who illegally release classified info should be prosecuted

2) any non-Americans who act as a conduit for this info should be asked not to release it, as Assange has been repeatedly, and if they fail to do so, and it's in the U.S. National Security interest, other more drastic measures should be taken against him...since I believe him to be an enemy of the U.S.

If he is willing to put the U.S. lives at risk and those of our allies, he should also be willing to put his own at risk.
 
deepatrax said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13526

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13292
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As far as I can tell, the executive orders only details how classified information should be handled by the government. They do not, (and, in as far as I know, can not, seeing as they are not legislation) make it generally illegal for a citizen to publish a classified document.
 
deepatrax said:
you should really re-read my posts...since I've clarified repeatedly that:

1) any Americans who illegally release classified info should be prosecuted

2) any non-Americans who act as a conduit for this info should be asked not to release it, as Assange has been repeatedly, and if they fail to do so, and it's in the U.S. National Security interest, other more drastic measures should be taken against him...since I believe him to be an enemy of the U.S.

If he is willing to put the U.S. lives at risk and those of our allies, he should also be willing to put his own at risk.
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So if they are American, obey the law and prosecute them.
I they are not, ignore domestic and international law and murder them.
If thats the case I can only hope for one thing.., that Wikileaks exposes it.
 
Ausmerican said:
So if they are American, obey the law and prosecute them.
I they are not, ignore domestic and international law and murder them.
If thats the case I can only hope for one thing.., that Wikileaks exposes it.
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Yes, American's allies (whose primary responsibility is to protect their own, non-American citizens) would be very interested.
 
Leif Roar said:
As far as I can tell, the executive orders only details how classified information should be handled by the government. They do not, (and, in as far as I know, can not, seeing as they are not legislation) make it generally illegal for a citizen to publish a classified document.
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my friend, a mere U.S. citizen didn't leak this info...

someone in a Government position who is RESTRICTED by U.S. law did.

there is a reason that someone is already being prosecuted for the previous leak.

You should also know this:

"Wikileaks founder and Australian citizen, Julian Assange, may face prosecution from Australia if further US military documents released by the whistleblower site threaten serving forces' safety, claims a report.

Speaking at an international cyber security exercise launch, Australia's Attorney-General Robert McClelland, said, "Anything that puts those people who are serving their country and protecting our security at risk is entirely reprehensible, whether it's done for notoriety, whether it's done for commercial interests. If these acts amount to an offence, the people involved will most certainly be prosecuted," reported Australian newspaper, The Age."
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/09/30/243110/Wikileaks-founder-could-face-prosecution-over-US-military-document.htm
 
Ausmerican said:
So if they are American, obey the law and prosecute them.
I they are not, ignore domestic and international law and murder them.
If thats the case I can only hope for one thing.., that Wikileaks exposes it.
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The CIA, and in fact ALL foreign spy agencies, break international law from time to time.

That's the nature of the biz...

When a covert CIA operative is listening in on Putin's meeting's, I doubt he's doing it legally.
 
deepatrax said:
my friend, a mere U.S. citizen didn't leak this info...

someone in a Government position who is RESTRICTED by U.S. law did.
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Yes, but you made the claim that it was generally illegal to publish classified information, period. Not that it can, in some circumstances, be illegal. Nobody's disputing that. So, are you now limiting your claim and if so, to what degree?
 
deepatrax said:
The CIA, and in fact ALL foreign spy agencies, break international law from time to time.

That's the nature of the biz...

When a covert CIA operative is listening in on Putin's meeting's, I doubt he's doing it legally.
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However that same CIA operative is specifically prohibited from assassination by the U.S government as all government employees have been since 1976.
 
Leif Roar said:
Yes, but you made the claim that it was generally illegal to publish classified information, period. Not that it can, in some circumstances, be illegal. Nobody's disputing that. So, are you now limiting your claim and if so, to what degree?
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What is this? Poli Sci 101...where we discuss issues in a vacuum on non-reality?

I'm speaking to the CURRENT reality of the Wikileaks documents.

the release of which is illegal under U.S. law for Americans to do. Now, the only people who have access to this classified info are the very people who are covered by this law.

I'm not talking about Joe Q Public walking down the street and finding a paper on the sidewalk detailing the recent NSA briefings.
 
deepatrax said:
The CIA, and in fact ALL foreign spy agencies, break international law from time to time.

That's the nature of the biz...
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Yes, it is. And the nature of the game is also that spies generally get exchanged when they're caught and don't go around killing people.
 
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