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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Machiavelli said:
One other thing would have been takig the same picture, perform a perspective correction, perform the measurement and show that the accurate result is different from Rinaldi's.
This was not done.
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No, this is exactly what Vinci did. he took the same picture and performed measurements correctly.

Reading Massei, what in your understanding was his reason for rejecting Vinci's measurement?

Machiavelli said:
The angle a is obviously the one formed by the floor plan and the CMOS of the camera. I am considering only the horizontal component of the angle by now, assuming this is the most relevant one. I assumed this could be around 20° but just considered this possible by the naked eye. It is possible to calculate it accurately by measuring the deformation of the grid at the floor level (the reference are the tiles borders).
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Great, I'm looking forward for the complete perspective correction.
 
LondonJohn said:
And if Sollecito is shown to have been at home while Knox met up with Guede to kill Meredith, is there anyone who would seriously be prepared to postulate that Sollecito would have not revealed this by now? Even if Sollecito were besotted with Knox, they'd been together all of six days. And even if Sollecito had not been involved in the killing, but had somehow been seduced into helping clean up the crime scene the following day (making him culpable of a criminal offence) - which in itself seems extraordinarily unlikely anyhow - there's no way that he wouldn't have told the truth by now.

I find it very hard to understand how people can logically say things along the lines of: "Oh well, even if Sollecito can be shown to have been at his apartment during the time of the murder, this still means that Knox could have done it" etc etc. To me, the entire case against both of them logically falls apart if the laptop in Sollecito's apartment were shown to have been in frequent use between 8.30pm and 1am on the 1st/2nd November.

PS: OT, but YAY for the return of "Peep Show" :)
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What are you talking about, this is exactly what I have been saying happened all along. RS didn't get 'seduced into helping clean up the crime scene' it was his idea when Amanda came to him and told him what happened.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
What are you talking about, this is exactly what I have been saying happened all along. RS didn't get 'seduced into helping clean up the crime scene' it was his idea when Amanda came to him and told him what happened.
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So if Sollecito only helped Knox clean up, who actually killed Meredith?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
What are you talking about, this is exactly what I have been saying happened all along. RS didn't get 'seduced into helping clean up the crime scene' it was his idea when Amanda came to him and told him what happened.
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What do you think 'happened?'

If Raffaele just helped clean up the crime scene he could have been out of jail by now, hell he probably could have avoided any at all if he'd have confessed to such in his interrogation where they temporarily talked him out of providing an alibi. Why would he take this fall for a girl he knew less than a week, and why wouldn't he have since reconsidered facing a lifetime in prison?
 
'A gross misinterpretation of the blood evidence by the Scientific Police'
By Ron Hendry

The Scientific Police subsequently determined that this was important blood evidence that had been intentionally hidden by Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. Photos and analysis of these blood drippings were included in a report prepared for the prosecutor and the Court. The photos of the blood dripping area and the police interpretation of what they meant were also included in the large Scientific Police crime scene exhibit, ostensibly produced for the jury’s consideration at the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.
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Documented proof from Forensic Engineer Ron Hendry that a mistake the Flying Squad made through complete disrespect for the crime scene was presented to the jury as evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. It was claimed to show the crime scene was staged. If this information was used as part of the reason to convict them it gives very strong reason that all the evidence in the case should be reviewed.


http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry11.html

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=171828869508259&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034
 
Chris C said:
So if Sollecito only helped Knox clean up, who actually killed Meredith?
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Same person you think did it...

There are those who believe her to be 100% GUILTY
and those that believe she's 100% INNOCENT

then there are a few of us that think she falls somewhere in between
 
Kaosium said:
What do you think 'happened?'

If Raffaele just helped clean up the crime scene he could have been out of jail by now, hell he probably could have avoided any at all if he'd have confessed to such in his interrogation where they temporarily talked him out of providing an alibi. Why would he take this fall for a girl he knew less than a week, and why wouldn't he have since reconsidered facing a lifetime in prison?
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exactly what I said a long time ago. I'm not saying he wasn't there for sure, just that there is a chance he wasn't. If he wasn't, he's made a giant mistake for sure, but I believe both Amanda and himself, never thought for a minute they would be found guilty. Their parents, friends and their lawyers all had them convinced they would get off scott free. Didn't work, now it may be to late.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
exactly what I said a long time ago. I'm not saying he wasn't there for sure, just that there is a chance he wasn't. If he wasn't, he's made a giant mistake for sure, but I believe both Amanda and himself, never thought for a minute they would be found guilty. Their parents, friends and their lawyers all had them convinced they would get off scot free. Didn't work, now it may be to late.
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Putting the two posts you wrote together I'm guessing you believe Rudy Guede did the killing and for some reason Amanda and Raffaele cleaned up, and perhaps Amanda or both were there at the time? What is the motive for Raffaele and Amanda to conspire with someone they barely knew to cover up the death of Amanda's roommate?
 
How many errors of fact not considering the parade have been found in Dempsey's book. What are the most glaring. Surely there must be more than the parade.
 
Kaosium said:
Putting the two posts you wrote together I'm guessing you believe Rudy Guede did the killing and for some reason Amanda and Raffaele cleaned up, and perhaps Amanda or both were there at the time? What is the motive for Raffaele and Amanda to conspire with someone they barely knew to cover up the death of Amanda's roommate?
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Don't kid yourself, Amanda knew Rudy well enough. Tell me this, Are you 100% sure Amanda is innocent?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Same person you think did it...

There are those who believe her to be 100% GUILTY
and those that believe she's 100% INNOCENT

then there are a few of us that think she falls somewhere in between
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Why would Rudy kill Meredith and how is Knox involved with him?

Dont think I'm 100 percent sure Rudy did it either.

There is also the more plausible scenario. Where he drives up to the place with a friend to see the guys downstairs and try and score some pot. After realizing no one is home, decides to break into the upstairs apartment to steal something or even look for drugs. Meredith returns home while he is sitting on the toilet and the friend he is with enters the house behind Meredith, then rapes and kills her. Rudy gets in an argument with his friend over this. He leaves the scene and Rudy stays and tries to help Meredith. or It could be vice versa where Rudy rapes and kills her and his friend stays to try and help Meredith. This scenario is more plausible the the sex fueled drug induced girl gone satanicly wrong scenario that Mignini's force fed Perugia. It also puts guilt on Rudy's shoulder and he is forced to not give up the friend. Though I honestly believe in the lone wolf scenario, there is still the possibility that the car in the driveway belonged to an accomplice/killer.

Unlike most people I'm willing to consider Knox committed the crime. I just want proof and the proof presented is absurd. The cops keep saying this crime required multiple people that is why Knox/Sollecito helped Rudy. Yet they refuse to accept that the car could have belonged to the killer. They also refuse to accept that Rudy had friends other than Knox that was capable of killing. I honestly dont feel Knox is capable of killing someone, but if you feel she is, you also have to consider that Rudy had friends that hung out with him that could have done the crime also. Knox wasn't running around Italy on a crime spree. Apparently robbing places and having stolen merchandise in his possession was the norm for Rudy. How did he afford those shoes btw. Did they find a receipt for them?
 
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moodstream said:
How many errors of fact not considering the parade have been found in Dempsey's book. What are the most glaring. Surely there must be more than the parade.
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How many errors on the evidence are actually in Nadeau's? I'm betting the list is longer.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Don't kid yourself, Amanda knew Rudy well enough. Tell me this, Are you 100% sure Amanda is innocent?
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What makes you think Amanda would have known Rudy well? The most I've heard is he hung around sometimes with the boys downstairs and was once present at a party where she smoked some hash.

As to your question, I think of anyone in Perugia that night the last who could have been involved were Amanda and Raffaele. Otherwise the Perugian police would have been able to compile some real evidence of them being involved, and it wouldn't look so much like they put the screws to a girl barely out of her teens, blew it entirely, and then arrested three people, none of whom fit the evidence. I think that's also why the 'evidence' produced against Amanda and Raffaele is suspect on so many levels, and the 'witnesses' laughable: they were trying to gather evidence of entirely innocent people. Contrast that to the damning case against Rudy Guede.
 
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Chris C said:
How many errors on the evidence are actually in Nadeau's? I'm betting the list is longer.
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Oh, I'm with you on that, as a guess. But I like the Dempsey book, and if it has major flaws, I'd like to know what they are. I am wondering if anyone posting here wants to list them.
 
Kaosium said:
I think that's also why the 'evidence' produced against Amanda and Raffaele is suspect on so many levels, and the 'witnesses' laughable: they were trying to gather evidence of entirely innocent people. Contrast that to the damning case against Rudy Guede.
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Exactly. If you want people to testify to witnessing things that did not actually happen, you're only going to get oddballs like Curatolo, not decent witnesses.
 
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