North Korea fires artillery on the South

[timhau]

One thing i never understood. Why didn't South Korea pull an Operation Opera like Israel did back in 1981.

There are no fat Korean ladies to sing at the end.

 

[LukeB]

Can you post more asinine comments, or have you reached your limit?

Well he did come up with one of the most asinine conspiracys theorys I've ever had the pleasure of laughing at. His comments in this thread are actually an intellectual step up, hard as that is too believe.

 

[WildCat]

that's obviously propaganda. There aren't any real facts in there, just speculation. The only facts are the abilities of the guns, and the inability to assess damage.

The facts are technically advanced guns are more than capable of dropping shells directly on a target, and the tech exists to determine exactly where an opposing gun was fired from. Many US cities even have tech in place to pinpoint gunshots from sound alone, and the military can also do this by following the trajectory of the shells picked up by radar.

Some modern guns can even fire several shots at a target at different trajectories, so that they all land at the same time despite being fired many seconds apart.

SK has these modern gun systems, NK does not.

 

[WildCat]

With K-9 artillery made by Tech-Win, fail is not an option.

Techwin won the weapons contract over their archrival, Techpwn.

 

[excaza]

So, anyone yet come up with a guns blazin' plan that doesn't result in Seoul and Incheon getting bombed? Or are we still in the YIPPIE KI YAY!!! phase?

 

[Captain.Sassy]

According to this story of the 170 shells NK fired, 90 of them landed in the water. Not very accurate shooting.

This is surprising to me. Calculating a ballistic trajectory for an artillery shell should be fairly easy compared, for example, to calculating the trajectory of a powered missile, shouldn't it?

 

[WildCat]

This is surprising to me. Calculating a ballistic trajectory for an artillery shell should be fairly easy compared, for example, to calculating the trajectory of a powered missile, shouldn't it?

When you're firing 50 year old shells with 60 year old guns the margin of error increases.

 

[IDB87]

For instance, I read an article today that called Kim Jung Il "petulant". This word is very weighted.

Or maybe he's just a petulant kind of guy?

 

[UWdude]

Or maybe he's just a petulant kind of guy?

Or maybe he is cunning and conniving.

 

[excaza]

Or maybe he is cunning and conniving.

Why are they mutually exclusive?

 

[Captain.Sassy]

neways

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LK24Dg01.html

China has been campaigning for the resumption of the talks in brisk shuttle diplomacy on behalf of North Korea and there have been a number of statements, public and through other channels, that Pyongyang is ready to go back to the negotiation table.

But the US and South Korea have been holding back, waiting for something more, expecting a clear step on the North's side to demonstrate it is ready to start denuclearization unilaterally, said Delury, who recently visited North Korea. "Personally, I don't think that was going to ever come about. They've probably realized so. This is North Korea's stick now [to get them to talk]."

Koh Yu-hwan, a professor of North Korea studies at Seoul's Dongguk University, who is currently a visiting scholar at Stanford University, said North Korea's pre-existing plutonium programs that can produce nuclear weapons had been de facto recognized as Washington and Seoul had been taking their time in not engaging North Korea. "As a result, things are now more complicated than before. Now, North Korea has another card, called uranium," said Koh.

Analysts said Pyongyang's expose of its uranium program was a signal that it be taken seriously as a dialogue partner by the US, which has been officially using a South Korea-initiated dual strategy combining sanctions with dialogue, but this has de facto resulted in it avoiding dialogue with North Korea.

Cui Zhiying, director of the Korean Peninsula Research Office under the Asia-Pacific Research Center of Tongji University in Shanghai, said the North's latest provocation shouldn't be seen as seeking confrontation, but rather its own way of signaling to the US that it wants dialogue. "North Korea has repeatedly expressed that it wants dialogue with the US and it wants the six-party talks to resume. But the US and South Korea have not been forthcoming. So, North Korea is pressuring them to come to the talks," Cui said.

 

[UWdude]

Why are they mutually exclusive?

One indicates an emotional out of control, crazy temperament. One indicates a cold and calculating intellectual temperament.

I wonder if our intelligence services see him as petulant or conniving.

 

[IDB87]

Why are they mutually exclusive?

Apparently people can only have certain traits. If you have one, you can't have the other.

I mean it makes sense, right?

Also UWdude could you link the article you read? I'd be interested in reading it.

Back on topic for now!

Have any NK's been killed in the counter attacks?

 

[UWdude]

I do wonder what SK was doing firing shells into NK waters. That to me seems like a provocation. I also wonder if this has something to do with the recent American envoy's visit to the nuclear processing plant. It could be coincidence, or it could have been an attempt to build an incident.

 

[Captain.Sassy]

China is, apparently, unlikely to be thrilled about the deployment of the Washington carrier group to SK:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/101124/world/international_us_korea_north1


"Beijing will not be pleased by the deployment of the aircraft carrier and will not respond to such pressure, said Xu Guangyu, a retired major-general in the People's Liberation Army who now works for a government-run arms control organization.


"China will not welcome the U.S. aircraft carrier joining the exercises, because that kind of move can escalate tensions and not relieve them," he said.


"Our biggest objective is stability on the Korean peninsula. That interest is not served by abandoning North Korea, and so there's no need to rethink the basics of the relationship."


Beijing has previously said that an earlier plan to send the USS George Washington to U.S.-South Korea joint exercises threatened long-term damage to Sino-U.S. relations.

 

[WildCat]

One indicates an emotional out of control, crazy temperament. One indicates a cold and calculating intellectual temperament.

I wonder if our intelligence services see him as petulant or conniving.

I've seen many a 2 year old with Kim's "intellectual temperament".

I do wonder what SK was doing firing shells into NK waters.

Is this from your underground news sources?

 

[timhau]

I do wonder what SK was doing firing shells into NK waters.

AFAIK the only ones saying that SK fired shells into NK waters before the NK artillery barrage is, surprise surprise, North Korea -- and you.

 

[timhau]

So, anyone yet come up with a guns blazin' plan that doesn't result in Seoul and Incheon getting bombed?

I have a three-step plan:

1. Learn the Korean expression for "Hey guys, is that food over there?"
2. March to Dear Leader's palace on deserted streets.
3. Kick some ass.

 

[WildCat]

AFAIK the only ones saying that SK fired shells into NK waters before the NK artillery barrage is, surprise surprise, North Korea -- and you.

Conspiract nutter Alex Jones also says this. I suspect that prisonplanet is the source of UWDude's information.

Gotta love those underground history sources!

 

[Captain.Sassy]

AFAIK the only ones saying that SK fired shells into NK waters before the NK artillery barrage is, surprise surprise, North Korea -- and you.

Just to be clear, you take issue with UWdude's characterization of the waters as "North Korean" as opposed to "disputed", and not the fact that South Korea was firing shells into the waters first, correct?