Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Alt+F4]

I find it surprising that someone wouldn't hang their clothes up when they got the chance, and when they had the whole evening to do it.

Don't you?

Well personally, I have a dryer too and throw the clothes in there as soon as the wash as done. As for Meredith, there is zero evidence that her wash was longer than the average 45 minutes/1 hour.

So she puts the wash in around 5:30, it's done around 6:30, she doesn't get home until 9. She didn't seem to be bothered that it was sitting in the machine damp for over two hours already. What's a while longer?

The wash still in the washing machine doesn't prove that she was attacked very soon after she arrived home.

 

[Kermit]

The West Seattle Herald ran a story "“Amanda and Meredith were very friendly,” said Janet Huff, Knox’s aunt. “Just two days before (the murder) they attended the Chocolate Festival together and had been out together to local pubs. There were quite a few photos of the two of them together in the days before her murder on Amanda's computer. Too bad the Italian police completely fried it when trying to get into it and were not able to retrieve a single thing."

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So what happened to the original happy photos on Amanda's digital camera / cellphone camera? Did she carefully erase them just after the murder?

ETA: OOPS, sorry, issue already brought up a page ago

 

[platonov]

The Halloween message "works both ways"?? How does a series of friendly text messages from Amanda to Meredith asking if she'd like to meet up "work both ways"? If I hated someone - or even if I felt merely indifferent towards them - I wouldn't be texting them asking to meet up.

Or maybe you're suggesting that Knox was mendaciously "pretending" to be wanting to meet up with Meredith, since she was perhaps busy constructing an alibi as early as Halloween evening....

You appear to be missing the 3 obvious explanations....

1 means nothing - different plans
2 means MK rebuffed AK , might mean very little ? ...
3 means perhaps AK had a 'prank' planned for that evening - impossible to prove, probably means nothing.

Further On the photos issue

Without wishing to seem pompous, when I previously told you 'you wouldn't like it' regarding my dismissal of using part of C's testimony to form a new alibi you were equally skeptical [or stated you didn't understand the argument].
But the defence appeal docs confirmed my approach.
No surprise - it was very obvious, I cant claim any particular insight.
Well this photos issue is much more obvious I'm afraid - think 'Norwegian Blue'

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[katy_did]

Well personally, I have a dryer too and throw the clothes in there as soon as the wash as done. As for Meredith, there is zero evidence that her wash was longer than the average 45 minutes/1 hour.

So she puts the wash in around 5:30, it's done around 6:30, she doesn't get home until 9. She didn't seem to be bothered that it was sitting in the machine damp for over two hours already. What's a while longer?

The wash still in the washing machine doesn't prove that she was attacked very soon after she arrived home.

No, of course it doesn't prove it. It's just another indication that the attack happened shortly after she arrived home, and before she had the chance to take out her washing. It's just another of those clues that points to a much earlier time of death than that Massei arbitrarily decided upon. Nothing more or less than that.

 

[RoseMontague]

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So what happened to the original happy photos on Amanda's digital camera / cellphone camera? Did she carefully erase them just after the murder?

Go back about a page or so and read the discussion on this. I know the posts are coming quickly, it took me a good 30 minutes to catch up from this morning.

 

[katy_did]

You don't get it, do you (or you do get it, but you're being deliberately obstructive....)

The whole point is that - if possible - one would not leave wet clothes in the machine any longer than one has to. If you put the washing in before you go to bed, then being asleep precludes you from being able to remove the wet clothes from the machine until first thing the following morning. But if you come back from a quiet evening out with friends (where no alcohol was drunk) and you know your wash load will have finished, it's odd behaviour to then leave those wet clothes in the machine for a couple of hours while you lie on your bed (fully-clothed) and mess around with your mobile phone.

Of course, the other possibility is that Meredith totally forgot that she had put a load of washing on. And, if that was the case, then this whole discussion in moot. But if she hadn't forgotten about it, then it's fairly unlikely that she'd have deliberately let it stew in the machine for a couple of hours rather than hang it out to dry.

Thanks for spelling it out more clearly, LJ.

As I added to my previous post, if Meredith had stayed at her friend's place till 11:30, it wouldn't have surprised me in the least to find that her washing hadn't been taken out of the machine at that time...

 

[platonov]

Because an internet forum is not a court of law, I pay attention to all of the evidence. Curt's recollections are no less indirect than Meredith's friends' recollections.

halides1

With all due respect they wont work in either forum.

See my earlier reference to ambulatory bears

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[Kermit]

Go back about a page or so and read the discussion on this. I know the posts are coming quickly, it took me a good 30 minutes to catch up from this morning.

Oops, didn't refresh between writing and posting. Sorry to all.

 

[platonov]

I know, it's amazing isn't it? The defense incidentally called for a mistrial. because of it.

I had to chase this stuff down to the bone because I couldn't believe it either. How could they have done this and thought they'd get away with it in the long run?

Dan O, I think, earlier intimated that they ['the forensics'] didn't know they cameras were there - that didn't fly either I'm afraid.
There was also talk of a faked video and superheated DNA - the less said about that the better

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[Alt+F4]

Because an internet forum is not a court of law, I pay attention to all of the evidence. Curt's recollections are no less indirect than Meredith's friends' recollections.

How does Curt's recollections help Amanda's case, in a court of law? Isn't Amanda's case what really matters here, not what is said on the Internet?

 

[Kermit]

has everyone forgotten that Amanda and Meredith also went together to the classical concert on 26th October at which Knox first met Sollecito?

So of the three times that Meredith met Sollecito, one was the concert that Meredith accompanied Amanda to, and from which Meredith returned home alone. Amanda's relation of a few days with Sollecito had started.

The third was the encounter hours before her murder.

And the second was sometime in between.

 

[Kestrel]

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So what happened to the original happy photos on Amanda's digital camera / cellphone camera? Did she carefully erase them just after the murder?

After uploading photos to a computer, it's normal to clear the camera. The software I use for that task clears the camera automatically.

So why pretend that this perfectly normal behavior is somehow suspicious?

 

[Kaosium]

Dan O, I think, earlier intimated that they ['the forensics'] didn't know they cameras were there - that didn't fly either I'm afraid.
There was also talk of a faked video and superheated DNA - the less said about that the better

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A rational mind struggles with trying to explain the unexplainable. I can think of reasons, but you'd laugh. I'd like your imput, here is the video:

http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-amanda-knox-unassailable-evidence--[UMaTI0SiuLw].cfm

The most damning thing to me is not as much the obvious contamination, but that after this they'd try to pretend this was 'evidence' of murder.

 

[Alt+F4]

After uploading photos to a computer, it's normal to clear the camera. The software I use for that task clears the camera automatically.

So why pretend that this perfectly normal behavior is somehow suspicious?

The software I have (Canon and Sony) doesn't clear the camera after an upload of photos to my computer. Do you know the brand name and model number of Amanda's digital camera?

 

[Kermit]

After uploading photos to a computer, it's normal to clear the camera. The software I use for that task clears the camera automatically. So why pretend that this perfectly normal behavior is somehow suspicious?

The software I have (Canon and Sony) doesn't clear the camera after an upload of photos to my computer. Do you know the brand name and model number of Amanda's digital camera?

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I had a Fuji digital camera, and now I think it's a Pentax. In neither are the photos automatically erased.

Kestrel, what's your camera and image software?

 

[platonov]

A rational mind struggles with trying to explain the unexplainable. I can think of reasons, but you'd laugh. I'd like your imput, here is the video:

http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-amanda-knox-unassailable-evidence--[UMaTI0SiuLw].cfm

The most damning thing to me is not as much the obvious contamination, but that after this they'd try to pretend this was 'evidence' of murder.

I've already seen the video [ and the trailer ]
There was a exchange on it a while back, after you joined I think.

Dont you guys read the previous posts - this thread is suddenly starting to make sense to me

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[Machiavelli]

C'mon now, you can't really think this is significant, can you? I can't believe that the length of washing cycles is even being discussed. There is nothing even a little bit surprising in someone putting their washing in when they go out and hanging it out when they get back, even - gasp - if it gets left in the machine for a couple of hours (sometimes I even put my washing in before I go to bed, and take it out when I get up. I know, I'm some kind of freak).

The only surprising thing is that she didn't take it out and hang it up when she got back home, since she should have had plenty of time to do it. That's surprising.

I agree. It is also quite strange that Amanda didn't take out the washing which contained also her own cloths, and instead she was concerned to carry a mop with bucket to dry a (almost dry yet) floor in another house. In fact, on the same point, it is something that allows to think that maybe Meredith was not the one who put the washing in.

 

[Kaosium]

I've already seen the video [ and the trailer ]
There was a exchange on it a while back, after you joined I think.

Dont you guys read the previous posts - this thread is suddenly starting to make sense to me

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I know what you mean. I read this entire thread and it's antecedents once, and then most of it a second three months later. I often get a feeling a deja-vu posting here, like everything I'm reading and even writing has happened before.

At any rate, what did you think of it?

Oh, and what do you think of the claim by the prosecution that there's never been any contamination at their forensics lab?

 

[platonov]

I know what you mean. I read this entire thread and it's antecedents once, and then most of it a second three months later. I often get a feeling a deja-vu posting here, like everything I'm reading and even writing has happened before.

At any rate, what did you think of it?

Oh, and what do you think of the claim by the prosecution that there's never been any contamination at their forensics lab?

They certainly seemed to 'paw' the item but as I'm not a forensics specialist I cant say if it's bad practice.
As for contamination of the actual clasp, that argument doesn't fly - its been covered at length in this thread.
Its either planted or genuine. Randi wont pay if I predict your choice

The Lab not the prosecution claimed no contamination - if it hasn't happened or hasn't been discovered then that's that.

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[Kaosium]

I agree. It is also quite strange that Amanda didn't take out the washing which contained also her own cloths, and instead she was concerned to carry a mop with bucket to dry a (almost dry yet) floor in another house. In fact, on the same point, it is something that allows to think that maybe Meredith was not the one who put the washing in.

Isn't it even stranger than a man could look at that murder scene posted by Draca on the last page and come to the conclusion it could only have been done by multiple attackers in some sort of sexual rite? Then refuse to re-evaluate his thinking when physical evidence of only one other attacker is found, and the 'murder knife' seized from two scared kids is exposed as not fitting most of the wounds?

What do your psychological insights reveal about that sort of person?