Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[el buscador]

1. According to both Amanda and Raffaele, Meredith and Raffaele met three times only.

2. No evidence from Meredith's family or friends that she considered him a friend. No evidence that she ever mentioned him to anyone she knew.

Now please explain, why you think they were friends, and don't base it on personal experiences, base it on facts known about these two people.

There is a big difference between a friend and an acquaintance.

I don't have to explain anything. You said they weren't friends and I asked how did you know they weren't. My conclusion, neither you nor I have any idea of what Meredith thought of Raffaele.

 

[katy_did]

No, you are correct.

There is no border, in fact there is no train station!

If Rudy was controlled in "Monaco", it HAD to be in Munich.

Ah, well that would explain why I don't remember needing a passport, then. I know it's difficult to live there with it being a tax haven, but I didn't think it was all that difficult just to visit.

Yes, having read a bit of this blog post it looks like Rudy decided to go to Germany, and was then stopped on arrival in Munich. It certainly makes little sense that he'd be talking about Monaco (the country) if there isn't even a train station there.

Quando sono arrivato a Monaco sono stato fermato di nuovo da un poliziotto

 

[Alt+F4]

Alt+F4,

What is the evidence that they were not friends?

According to some, there were photographs of Meredith and Amanda together at the chocolate festival on Amanda's hard drive. Do you support the defense's attempts to send the drive to Toshiba?

"According to some"....well that's kind of vague, don't you think?

I never said anything about what might have been on Amanda's computer. Are you saying the only evidence of their friendship was on that hard drive? Really? How about one, just one, email or photo sent home, to friends or posted on MySpace, Facebook or anywhere else on the Internet showing evidence that they were friends.

Ok, I'll even go old school here, how about a letter?

There is zero evidence of a friendship (nevermind a close friendship) between Amanda and Meredith.

 

[Alt+F4]

I don't have to explain anything. You said they weren't friends and I asked how did you know they weren't. My conclusion, neither you nor I have any idea of what Meredith thought of Raffaele.

Hey you were the one that posted that Meredith and Raffaele were friends. I posted that there is zero evidence they were friends.

Of course you don't have to explain anything. Those who have no evidence and just make things up never do.

 

[Alt+F4]

They didn't plant it, they did it on TV. Contaminated it right before your very eyes, I'm sure you've seen it.

Not sure what you mean by doing it on TV. If you mean the video taken at the crime scene then again I'm going to ask, why, if they were going to contaminate the crime scene they would:

1. videotape it.
2. allow that video to be released (please don't go with the defense had a right to disclosure, doesn't work in your conspiracy theory).

 

[TomCH]

Ah, well that would explain why I don't remember needing a passport, then. I know it's difficult to live there with it being a tax haven, but I didn't think it was all that difficult just to visit.

Yes, having read a bit of this blog post it looks like Rudy decided to go to Germany, and was then stopped on arrival in Munich. He just calls it 'Monaco', but it makes little sense that he'd be talking about Monaco the country if there isn't even a train station there.

Also, "fermato di nuovo da un poliziotto" means he got controlled (asked for ID), not "arrested".

Tom

 

[Kestrel]

There is zero evidence of a friendship (nevermind a close friendship) between Amanda and Meredith.

Did you forget that Amanda and Meredith went to the Chocolate Festival together about a week before the murder?

 

[RWVBWL]

Yet in the prosecution theory Amanda managed to leave only bloody footprints in other areas of the house. Where did the blood come from that made those prints? It would have to be Merediths's room if they were made with Meredith's blood. I guess she levitated or had magic glasses when she cleaned them up so she could see what only luminol would reveal then took off her magic glasses when she left Meredith's room and missed the other non-visible footprints in the hallway that were bloody from Meredith's blood but did not contain Meredith's DNA or even test positive for blood with the TMB test.

Nice point RoseMontague, nice point!

It bears repeating:
Yet in the prosecution theory Amanda managed to leave only bloody footprints in other areas of the house.
Where did the blood come from that made those prints?
It would have to be Merediths's room if they were made with Meredith's blood.

I wonder where or how Amanda Knox got blood on the shoes and feet?
Maybe it was during the "un-finished clean-up", you know, the 1 that she meant to finish
before she let Postal Police Officers Michele Battestelli and Fabio Marzi or any members of the "Flying Squad" into her pad.
Hmmm...
RWVBWL

 

[katy_did]

Also, "fermato di nuovo da un poliziotto" means he got controlled (asked for ID), not "arrested".

Tom

That's why I said he was "stopped" by the police.

By the way, do you now accept it happened on 4th November?

 

[Alt+F4]

Did you forget that Amanda and Meredith went to the Chocolate Festival together about a week before the murder?

Evidence? Where is Amanda and/or Meredith's account of all the fun they had together at the Chocolate Festival?

 

[el buscador]

Hey you were the one that posted that Meredith and Raffaele were friends. I posted that there is zero evidence they were friends.

Of course you don't have to explain anything. Those who have no evidence and just make things up never do.

Hmm, I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Antony, maybe. I never said one way or the other about Raffaele and Meredith being friends. I don't think there is any evidence either way. You don't have any actual evidence Meredith didn't consider him as a friend and I don't have any that she did.

 

[Kaosium]

Not sure what you mean by doing it on TV. If you mean the video taken at the crime scene then again I'm going to ask, why, if they were going to contaminate the crime scene they would:

1. videotape it.
2. allow that video to be released (please don't go with the defense had a right to disclosure, doesn't work in your conspiracy theory).

I know, it's amazing isn't it? The defense incidentally called for a mistrial. because of it.

I had to chase this stuff down to the bone because I couldn't believe it either. How could they have done this and thought they'd get away with it in the long run?

 

[Kermit]

Thanks to the Entourage for all those personal documents

I think the man who spread her lifestyle across the tabloids and came up with a pornographic fantasy of her death and then failed to provide any legitimate evidence of his theory will face sublime condemnation.

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For your information, I learned of Amanda's vibrator through her lawyer.

I obtained my copy of Amanda's list of lovers and contraceptive methods used or not used through Seattle King County Judge Michael Heavey.

We learned of the video of Meredith's body being moved through Raffaele's home town TV station.

It was Amanda who insisted on writing spontaneous declarations around the time of her arrest.

I read Amanda's email home (the "WTF" one) to a zillion people and her university handling officer in Seattle, on PerugiaShock.

Amanda and Raffaele were the ones who decided to clam up (in Raffaele's case, he had asked for a special audience to make a declaration, but in the meantime, Rudy was located and arrested and on the given day, Raffaele went to so Mignini with his lawyer and simply didn't say anything) and not help the investigation

It was Amanda's friend from Seattle who posted her drunk video.

It was Amanda who got fined for hosting a noisy party where stones were thrown at cars. (I got my copy of the summons/fine from The Cook, I believe (maybe wrong)).
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As for the "theory", what theory? Are you still referring to the satanic theory or the "ritualistic orgy" theory or some other pet peeve of FOAKers which was never introduced into the trial?

 

[Magister]

No, you are correct.

There is no border, in fact there is no train station!

If Rudy was controlled in "Monaco", it HAD to be in Munich.

Makes sense, head north via the Brenner, you end up in Munich. No need to leave the EU, unlike passing through here (Schengen now, but NOT in 2007).

There is both a border and railway station in Monaco.
I was there in June this year.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/monaco/how-to-reach/railway.html

 

[Antony]

Excuse me, but I have 3 teen grand daughters with numerous friends and they get along fine with each other and each other's boyfriends.

All this because I described Amanda and Raffaele as "2 of her friends": a sub-thread involving 4 people. Hardly alters my point, no matter how small Meredith's acquaintance with Raffaele.

Thanks for responding on my behalf. I have TomCH on ignore, as with others with a high noise-to-signal ratio.

 

[el buscador]

Evidence? Where is Amanda and/or Meredith's account of all the fun they had together at the Chocolate Festival?

Could that evidence be on Amanda's computer? The one that the police "shocked", the one that the prosecution won't allow to be sent to manufacturers to see if the data can be recovered?

How do you feel about that Alt+F4? Do you think the hard drive should be sent to the manufacturers to see if the data could be recovered. It would end some of the arguments and speculation of one side or the other. We on the innocent side are all for looking at every little piece of evidence and having it all tested by independents come what may. How about the guilty side?

 

[Alt+F4]

Hmm, I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Antony, maybe. I never said one way or the other about Raffaele and Meredith being friends. I don't think there is any evidence either way. You don't have any actual evidence Meredith didn't consider him as a friend and I don't have any that she did.

Sorry if I confused you with Antony. We have only the facts and that is that Meredith never told anyone Raffaele was her friend. She met him only three times (briefly) over the course of one week.

friend: a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard;

aquantiance: a person known to one, but usually not a close friend.

Which term applies more?

 

[el buscador]

Evidence? Where is Amanda and/or Meredith's account of all the fun they had together at the Chocolate Festival?

Could that evidence be on Amanda's computer? The one that the police "shocked", the one that the prosecution won't allow to be sent to manufacturers to see if the data can be recovered?

How do you feel about that Alt+F4? Do you think the hard drive should be sent to the manufacturers to see if the data could be recovered. It would end some of the arguments and speculation of one side or the other. We on the innocent side are all for looking at every little piece of evidence and having it all tested by independents come what may. How about the guilty side?

 

[TomCH]

That's why I said he was "stopped" by the police.

By the way, do you now accept it happened on 4th November?

Sure, but that's still "days", and not "hours" (let alone minutes).

In any case, it seems that it takes 11 hours to get from Perugia to Munich, depending if you want to get there quicker, or with less changes (12 if you go through Rome)

 

[Kestrel]

Evidence? Where is Amanda and/or Meredith's account of all the fun they had together at the Chocolate Festival?

Friendly acts don't count if there is not written documentation?