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Hello from a non-skeptic

... and that was the last in the current series of 'Pimp My Ride'. Next week at the same time, the start of a new series of 'Rock My Pedestal' presented by Charles 'bonnie prince' Boden and Alice 'takes the biscuit' Shortcake - and they'll be asking: 'Reincarnation - Truth or Bullsh1t?'...
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My North American cunning is telling me you should be very careful to follow fair use, Big Les. I don't know what Charles can do to you from Brazil (he's the descendant of kings you know) but the rules prohibit posting of copyrighted material at length, so you could get a spanking from the JREF.

I was thinking we should all endeavor to critique Charles's' work and give feedback on each of Les's' posts. I for one am sure I will have many questions for the author if he'd care to share his feedback.
 
Big Les, I'm sure you will be careful to keep on the right side of the law regarding the use of quotes from the book. Such is my excitement at the prospect of reading your review I actually dug out an old Royal Stewart tartan scarf to wear whilst reading it.

Oh, and I've had second thoughts about editing Wikipedia's Lady of Lawers article. I think it's much funnier to leave it as it is, secure in the knowledge that anyone Googling for info about her can hardly fail to notice the glaring difference between Charles' version of the story and every other internet reference.

More about the Lady of Lawers later! You have been warned.

Alice "takes the biscuit" Shortcake, Descendant of Textile Workers
 
tsig said:
Well you're going to get "a profound reflection upon the purpose of our existences and the true meaning of life... ".:eye-poppi
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So in other words we're going to be treated to "a collection of inane New Age platitudes which the author hopes will make him look reel sperichoool and make credulous people feel all warm and cosy".
 
Emet said:
I b'elieve you can read a page or two m'ore of The Boden Codex here.
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Aaaaaargh. Given his writing style and grammatical mistakes this is not something to read just after The Grouchy Grammarian......

"Whether those who will read what is written within these pages might consider me a liar or a fool"
"....most will not believe in these events. Many will shun them......"
 
Yet another claim to royal descent by Charles!

Oh, how on earth did I manage to miss the following gem? HRH Prince Michael, for the benefit of readers unacquainted with pseudo-royal weirdness, is a demented Belgian who thinks he's the true king of England, Scotland and possibly the rest of the world.

Re: HRH Michael as a genealogical source
Posted by: Charles Edward Stuart Boden
Date: June 25, 2001 at 08:08:16
In Reply to: HRH Michael as a genealogical source by Joe Cochoit
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Hello,

I was given my name after Bonnie Prince Charlie and, in fact, and I hope this will not prevent you from replying to me, believe I was once Charles Edward Stuart in a past lifetime. I have even written a whole book on how I came to learn of such a possibility.

Would just like to add that Charlotte Stuart did have three children by the bishop Ferdinand de Rohan Guenene, Bishop of Liege: Aegle Clementine Stuart, Marie Beatrice Stuart and Charles Edward Rohenstart (derived from Rohan and Stuart). These apparently died without heirs.

I also do not agree with Prince Michael's claim, and I would like to make it very clear that I have absolutely no intention of any Royal claim.
However, there is a belief in my family that my great-grandmother - Isabella Stuart - was a descendant of an illegitimate child of Charles Rohenstart when he lived in Scotland.

Do you know of any way by which I might search further into this? Any help or assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Charles E.S. Boden


Followups:

No followups yet
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Well, that was nine years ago and he's still waiting for a reply. Seriously though, how many claims to royal descent can one family have? Do these family traditions actually exist outside Charles' vivid imagination? So far we've heard about his descent from:

King James V - Charles accepted that he was wrong because "John Stewart Mark I" died without issue.

King James IV - Charles refuses to accept that "John Stewart Mark II" also died without issue, and that in any case this pseudo-ancestor was himself not descended from King James IV.

And now.....*drum roll*

...not only is Charles the reincarnation of Bonnie Prince Charlie, he's also descended from him! Charlotte Stuart, Duchess of Albany, was Prince Charles Edward Stuart's illegitimate daughter by his mistress Clementina Walkinshaw. Notice that Charles is completely unfazed by the fact that Charlotte's son also died without issue, a condition that seems to have reached epidemic proportions amongst his ancestors. And I wonder if the "descendant of an illegitimate child of Charles Rohenstart" was called...*another drum roll*

John Stewart?

This is surely proof, if any were needed, that Charles Boden is a serial fantasist.
 
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Agatha said:
If your claims are accurate and you are indeed descended from Bonnie Prince Charlie...
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And to think I corrected you about this! Agatha, you were right all along - you have the gift of prophecy and are a veritable Lady of Lawers!!!!!

:eye-poppi :jaw-dropp
 
I must contact Randi and arrange for my million dollars at once! :D
 
I'm sure the current Royal Family are relieved to hear that Boden has disavowed any claims to the throne.
 
Don't worry, I'll be careful. I'd like to maintain a maximum of one empty legal threat every four years.

I'm hoping to get this done by the end of this coming weekend. I'm actually 1/4 of the way through the book already, and so far have only had the oujia board origin story for Charles' belief, plus a load of fluff about Charlie himself that anyone could have written (and has).

I'm holding out for some high grade past life woo that I know is in there, but only perhaps 5 of the chapters are ANYTHING to do with Boden himself, which is disappointing.
 
OK, flash forward from the oujia board session to a mulleted (or so I choose to imagine him) Charles, drowning his sorrows in a bar. Having abandoned the world of woo, his belief in the supernatural is reawakened by a man who accosts him and somehow surmises from his age and heavy drinking that he's had some woman trouble. Impressive. I should point out that Charles is of the opinion that for anyone who marries at 21, divorce is "almost inevitable", and this indeed had happened to him. The man, who it turns out is on a bit of a recruitment drive for the local Christian Spiritist church, also guesses that he has a son.

I wonder how many other depressed drunken people he had also tried that with up to that point, and how many of them did have a son. And in a bar, too. Is nowhere sacred? At least the Jehovahs have the decency to bother you at home.

Bingo! We're back on the woo-wagon!

[edit - in the interests of a two-way street, Charles - please add the Forer Effect to the list of phenomena that you owe it to yourself to read up on some day]
 
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I should point out that Charles is of the opinion that for anyone who marries at 21, divorce is "almost inevitable"
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"Almost inevitable" is probably too strong, but if someone gets married at age 21, it's much better than even money that they will end up divorced. I would file this under one of the author's more reasonable claims.
 
Big Les said:
OK, flash forward from the oujia board session to a mulleted (or so I choose to imagine him) Charles, drowning his sorrows in a bar...

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Ah, yes. Charles himself recounted that part of his story in this very thread.

Charles Boden said:
It would be extremely difficult for me, in fact practically impossible simply by describing these events such as they happened, to share them with the same impact and effect that they had upon me when they did - the awe, the confusion between belief and disbelief, the total incapacity and inability to comprehend, the shock and the impact of each word and circumstance. All I can do is narrate them as they occurred, and hope and pray that those who might read this story will at least believe me when I say that such events did indeed happen to me.
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Nothing this guy told Charles goes beyond basic cold reading, of course, so I'm not sure the story merits those overly dramatic statements. Plus, despite the fact that Charles considers his memory pretty much infallible, to claim that perfect memory even for a night when he had drunk enough to be sick multiple times is a bit of a stretch, IMO.
 
AdMan said:
Ah, yes. Charles himself recounted that part of his story in this very thread.




Nothing this guy told Charles goes beyond basic cold reading, of course, so I'm not sure the story merits those overly dramatic statements. Plus, despite the fact that Charles considers his memory pretty much infallible, to claim that perfect memory even for a night when he had drunk enough to be sick multiple times is a bit of a stretch, IMO.
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What? Are you saying I can't trust my recollection of being the smoothest talker in living history last Saturday?

Well, there goes that book deal.
 
I wish I could pay Derren Brown to hot read Charles from his book.

Think about the power, the sheer power...power like that is like juice from a piglet.
 
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Big Les said:
OK, flash forward from the oujia board session to a mulleted (or so I choose to imagine him) Charles, drowning his sorrows in a bar. Having abandoned the world of woo, his belief in the supernatural is reawakened by a man who accosts him and somehow surmises from his age and heavy drinking that he's had some woman trouble. Impressive. I should point out that Charles is of the opinion that for anyone who marries at 21, divorce is "almost inevitable", and this indeed had happened to him. The man, who it turns out is on a bit of a recruitment drive for the local Christian Spiritist church, also guesses that he has a son.

I wonder how many other depressed drunken people he had also tried that with up to that point, and how many of them did have a son. And in a bar, too. Is nowhere sacred? At least the Jehovahs have the decency to bother you at home.

Bingo! We're back on the woo-wagon!

[edit - in the interests of a two-way street, Charles - please add the Forer Effect to the list of phenomena that you owe it to yourself to read up on some day]
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Oh, I'm so relieved to hear that Charles hasn't stinted on the woo. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he cites the Wikipedia "Lady of Lawers" article as evidence for the marriage of John Stewart.
 
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