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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Mary_H said:
You didn't answer the question.
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Guildford 4 , Birmingham 6, al Megrahi/Lockerbie case, Silcott, Clark, Rochdale child abuse etc

Don't think I've ever seen one online, perhaps they exist.

But a thread that starts with cartwheels and at the moment has reached ............

platonov
There we have it in a nutshell .. You seem to want to acquit AK on the basis of her background & ignore all the evidence, post crime.
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Mary H
If there were any evidence, I wouldn't ignore it.

platonov
Is that what 'criminal profiling' means ?
Is it all white women or just white women from Seattle or do they also have to goto certain schools to receive this get out of jail card ?
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Mary H

I don't know from schools. The craigslist killer was a medical student at Boston University.Bill Gates could have graduated from Harvard but he had better things to do. Macht nichts.
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Why don't you explain to us why you see it that way? Base your evaluation on some documented evidence.
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:):) More cites, No. You want me to document all the nonsense about this case - read back thru this thread & follow the links. There is plenty there.
In any case this is my opinion on what I see.



If anybody asked me to point to a post which encapsulates the 'AK is innocent' movement your 'statistically improbable' post from which the above quote is taken above would be a contender.

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platonov said:
So apart from the racism you agree, fine.

The nature of elements of this campaign has been obvious from the moment one looks into it.Mine is hardly a new observation.

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The fact that others have made the accusation doesn't make it correct. I don't see you as much of a follower so I am guessing you have some examples of a PR campaign with elements of racism?
 
RoseMontague said:
The fact that others have made the accusation doesn't make it correct. I don't see you as much of a follower so I am guessing you have some examples of a PR campaign with elements of racism?
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Read this thread for starters - can I take it you accept the existence of chauvinism & xenophobia and its just the racist element you dont see.

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platonov said:
Read this thread for starters - can I take it you accept the existence of chauvinism & xenophobia and its just the racist element you dont see.

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You think the PR campaign with elements of racism is here at JREF? Your accusation goes beyond some anonymous PR posters then and directly at the ones participating on this thread.

No; you can't take my disagreement with one part of your statement as agreement with another part.
 
RoseMontague said:
You think the PR campaign with elements of racism is here at JREF? Your accusation goes beyond some anonymous PR posters then and directly at the ones participating on this thread.

No; you can't take my disagreement with one part of your statement as agreement with another part.
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That's your interpretation.

Well lets back up so

Which part of this do you agree with...

As to the wider campaign in the English speaking world, from what I can see :a mendacious PR snow job with overtones of racism & xenophobia.

None ?? We can take them in order starting with mendacity.

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platonov said:
That's your interpretation.

Well lets back up so

Which part of this do you agree with...

As to the wider campaign in the English speaking world, from what I can see :a mendacious PR snow job with overtones of racism & xenophobia.

None ?? We can take them in order starting with mendacity.

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Sorry I am not changing the subject from what I disagree with to what I agree with.
 
I can point the guilters to a video done as part of a university investigation that shows the guilty person walking right past you and looking at you directly from three feet away. You are then asked to pick the guilty person from a lineup of several people that look somewhat similar. Everybody picks the wrong person because the 'guilty' person isn't in the lineup.

The university test exemplifies the "fallacy of too few choices". It shows how the vast majority can be fooled.

Magnini the magician can apparently fool the majority/herd.
 
no chauvinism

platonov said:
Read this thread for starters - can I take it you accept the existence of chauvinism & xenophobia and its just the racist element you dont see.
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platonov,

Some of the commenters here have a proven track record of defending lower middle class, sometimes black, defendants in cases where they have been unjustly accused. At least one commentater has defended a black woman whom he saw as being unfairly treated by the media. Some of the commenters here have used examples (Norfolk four, Farah Jama, etc.) drawn from cases in the UK, the U.S., and Australia. One might surmise from this last fact that there is an anti-English speaking bias on the part of these commenters, but such an inference would be wrong, IMHO. Neither do I believe that the defenders of Knox and Sollecito here are doing so on the basis of racist, xenophobic, or chauvinistic arguments.
 
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RoseMontague said:
Are you saying that those that believe in the innocence of Amanda and Raffaele believe Rudy is guilty because he is black?
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No, I'm saying that his fleeing shouldn't be an indication of his guilty. A black man knows he's more likely to been seen as a suspect.
 
Machiavelli said:
Oh no. You are jusy forgetting the part of decision where the judiciary decided Mignini was fit to work in his role, that he deserved no professional sanction, and he was even granted an advance in career.
This "half" of the facts gets lost from you view in some way.

When you speak about psychoanalysing Amanda Knox you are telling the false if referred to me. I base myself on facts.
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/39866695/Italian-Mignini-1

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/39867776/Italian-Mignini-2

Can you quote us please where in the motivation they said this? My understanding was that it was a suspended sentence, but that Mignini would be professionally sanctioned if found guilty on appeal. Either way, I would love a quote from the motivation that says he deserved no professional sanction....unless you're going to argue it's "inherent" in the judge's ruling.
 
Mary_H said:
I don't think they did take Rudy's fingerprints after the break-in. They had them on file only because he was an immigrant.
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Really? I thought he came to Italy as a young child. How is Perugia's fingerprint database connected with the Italian national database?
 
christianahannah said:
An article about Amanda's new cell mate.

http://www.lanazione.it/umbria/cronaca/2010/11/15/414631-amanda_cella.shtml
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Thank you Christiana. Her cell mate's history is very interesting. Called a Black Widow, accused of killing her husband who was 30 years older than she for the inheritance with two helpers. Acquitted in the first trial but on appeal sent to jail for 30 years in 2003 (How is this possible-no double jeopardy rule in Italy?). A brief search shows many that have doubts about her guilt. Also a foreigner, husband was killed with a knife.

http://translate.google.com/transla...firefox-a&sa=G&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

ETA: It appears she became a fugitive after her sentence and was only found and taken to jail in 2006.
 
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Katody Matrass said:
Interesting, are you claiming there was absolutely no bias in the conduct of the investigation?
Maybe you can see some potential for confirmation bias in the assessment of the evidence? Or not at all? Absolutely zero?
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Can you give an example of this bias? Others you know say there was no bias, that AK and RS were framed or the investigation was ordered to find them guilty. Which is it?

If there is zero evidence againt them then why were they found guilty?
 
RoseMontague said:
Thank you Christiana. Her cell mate's history is very interesting. Called a Black Widow, accused of killing her husband who was 30 years older than she for the inheritance with two helpers. Acquitted in the first trial but on appeal sent to jail for 30 years in 2003 (How is this possible-no double jeopardy rule in Italy?). A brief search shows many that have doubts about her guilt. Also a foreigner, husband was killed with a knife.
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You left out the part where she's described as "charming". :rolleyes:

Anyway if she was acquitted in the first trial why was their an appeal (unless it was a hung jury and not an acquital?) Also it was my understanding that a majority of guilty sentences in Italy are reversed on appeal, not the opposite.
 
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RoseMontague said:
Thank you Christiana. Her cell mate's history is very interesting. Called a Black Widow, accused of killing her husband who was 30 years older than she for the inheritance with two helpers. Acquitted in the first trial but on appeal sent to jail for 30 years in 2003 (How is this possible-no double jeopardy rule in Italy?). A brief search shows many that have doubts about her guilt. Also a foreigner, husband was killed with a knife.

Alt+F4 said:
You left out the part where she's described as "charming". :rolleyes:

Anyway if she was acquitted in the first trial why was their an appeal (unless it was a hung jury and not an acquital?) Also it was my understanding that a majority of guilty sentences in Italy are reversed on appeal, not the opposite.
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It says acquittal as do several other stories, maybe Machiavelli can help with this one. There are a lot of questions about timing and alibi's in this trial. A lot of comments out there that say it would have not been possible.

This does seem to go against the perception of the appeal results going the other way.
 
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RoseMontague said:
Thank you Christiana. Her cell mate's history is very interesting. Called a Black Widow, accused of killing her husband who was 30 years older than she for the inheritance with two helpers. Acquitted in the first trial but on appeal sent to jail for 30 years in 2003 (How is this possible-no double jeopardy rule in Italy?). A brief search shows many that have doubts about her guilt. Also a foreigner, husband was killed with a knife.

http://translate.google.com/transla...firefox-a&sa=G&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

ETA: It appears she became a fugitive after her sentence and was only found and taken to jail in 2006.
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I wonder what the percentage of murders committed by women is in Italy.

It appears that women are constantly murdering people there, in contrast to the rest of the world.
 
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