The Great Thermate Debate

[leftysergeant]

Thermate, not thermite, is used here to cut through a steel beam. If the complaint is that all of this has been discussed before, skip to 5:20 for the experiment.

He goes through a number of configurations to refute the claim that thermitic material wouldn't cut horizontally, wouldn't melt steel and would take massive amounts to do any real damage.

The big doofus is still wrong because all he could cut with the devices he shows us as realatively thin structures like the perimeter columns. The perimeter columns would have glown like searchlights. The bolt holes would have shown signs of slag.

He's a moron.

 

[leftysergeant]

What about the massive hole that he made in the steel beam it looks
very similar in appearance to the steel that was found from the wtc with the swiss cheese type apearance why dont you guys try explaining that?

Sure, it had sharp edges. But no curled edges. No vermiculations. No pyrites or copper depsosits between grains, that we know of. Looks like=/=is.

 

[Michal]

I bet that was fun!

how does he think they gained access to all those hundreds of bolt tightening holes?

at the nearest stripping and new fit-out

Why were not steel thermite devices found in the holes

did anyone searched for them? was there anyone allowed to search for it?

and no columns found with any damage similar to what he shows,

there were columns found that were angle cut, he was just showing it is possible.

how did they fuse the devices, why were no fuse components found?

could be by radio

how did they get the aircraft to crash into exactly the right place as they had wired up or do you imagine they wired the entire building?

why do you think it has to be exactly in the right place?

and finally, why bother with thermite when aircraft impact and fire will do the same thing?

no it could not. Plane a size of B767 can not collapse the very building, even if at high speed and fully fueled

Oh and how do we know he didn't just fake that video

whole WTC attack could be faked

 

[Michal]

the only thing I can question on this film is that the experiment was most probably made on an ordinary steel, whereas the steel used in WTC was purpose made, quite unique. But this I guess is only a matter of selecting better explosive material ... like nanothermite

 

[leftysergeant]

The highly exothermic reaction and production of iron rich microspheres when it's ignited proves it's thermitic, and most obviously not paint. As for the notion that the XEDS map shows the aluminum platelets are already oxidized, they're not, but rather they're simply coated in a silicon oxide.

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Stop it right there. There is no way you can call those plates aluminum. For one thiong the iddiots are saying that the aluminum was reduced to nano particals. THAT CRAP AINT NANO.

It also is dientical to either kaolin or talc, both of which are abundant in paint, and normally absent from thermite. How do those blithering idiots or you account for the SILICON in the samples?

Learn what stuff is made of before you start spewing about its being present in a sample of unknown provenance.

Can't you people grasp such a simple rule of forenscis?

Regardless, even if the evidence that the buildings we rigged to come down had been buried, you've all still got squat for experimental confirmation to support the notion that the towers could have come down so quickly and completely as the towers did absent such sabotage.

Verinage works. You lack the education to make such absurd comments.

 

[newton3376]

But the average IQ of the truth movement has commenced its long, arduous journey towards the dizzy heights of double figures.

OMFG that was freaking hilarious Dave....

You had me barely able to hold down the water I was drinking while reading that comment....

LOL well done

 

[newton3376]

could be by radio

And what would you know about setting off explosives by using some kind of an RF signal?

Oh that's right......NOTHING.

no it could not. Plane a size of B767 can not collapse the very building, even if at high speed and fully fueled

Actually the plane impact + fire COULD collapse the buildings. In fact it DID.....were you paying attention on 9/11?

To repeat beachnut....9 years of failure.

I would say that qualifies as EPIC FAIL.

 

[Quiproquo]

Verinage works. You lack the education to make such absurd comments.

Verinage clearly shows deceleration of the upper block when it hits the lower block, which the towers do not.

What's with the insults and condescension?

 

[Sunstealer]

So, how do you explain the holes and corrosion that Jon Cole was able to produce in the steel at 10:38?

There isn't any corrosion taking place in that video nor is there the "swiss cheese" effect as previously observed in the (fema?) paper.

What he has done is burnt a hole by melting the steel. The effect he has produced has not been observed in any of the steel recovered from ground zero. It's as simple as that.

I give him credit he's done more in that experiment than most truthers have in 9 years.

 

[Quiproquo]

Explaining to antitruthers the concept of CD is like trying to demonstrate the concept of gravity to a sceptic. The inevitable questions will be:

How does gravity pull us down to earth?

Where are the strings? (an antitruther constant)

Do you mean to say that it pulls me just as much with or without a ten-foot-thick slab of concrete between me and the earth?

How does the stuff 4,000 miles down know how hard to pull me?

 

[Quad4_72]

Explaining to antitruthers the concept of CD is like trying to demonstrate the concept of gravity to a sceptic. The inevitable questions will be:

How does gravity pull us down to earth?

Where are the strings? (an antitruther constant)

Do you mean to say that it pulls me just as much with or without a ten-foot-thick slab of concrete between me and the earth?

How does the stuff 4,000 miles down know how hard to pull me?

You are making dumb posts. What is the reasoning behind this?

 

[Michal]

And what would you know about setting off explosives by using some kind of an RF signal?

Oh that's right......NOTHING.

so now we are sure YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RF CD

you loose

Actually the plane impact + fire COULD collapse the buildings. In fact it DID.....were you paying attention on 9/11?

To repeat beachnut....9 years of failure.

I would say that qualifies as EPIC FAIL.

typical empty skepticism, do some research yourself before taking any voice. You loose again.

 

[triforcharity]

So, how do you explain the holes and corrosion that Jon Cole was able to produce in the steel at 10:38?

Thermate, which produces huge holes, and slag seen at the bottom of the holes.

Does it also have inner-granular melting?

How about not reaching a temperature of 2800 deg. C?

 

[excaza]

so now we are sure YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RF CD

You've got to be kidding me. So now you're saying there were a few thousand RF receivers (which magically vanished) that somehow managed to all get the signal at the same time, throughout an entire building? I barely get cell phone reception in my cubicle and I'm 3 feet from a window.

 

[triforcharity]

did anyone searched for them? was there anyone allowed to search for it?

Yes. FBI, ATF, NYPD, and other various local, state, and national LE agencies.

Fresh Kills ring a bell?

there were columns found that were angle cut, he was just showing it is possible.

Yes, from oxy-acetelyne torches, during the cleanup.

could be by radio

No. Even the FDNY's radios were a problem in the towers. They had 1.6 ghz radios, and they had to put a repeter in the towers to get them to work. Even then, the radios were a problem.

no it could not. Plane a size of B767 can not collapse the very building, even if at high speed and fully fueled

Correct. The buildings survived the plane crash. It was the combination of the plane, the fires, and the damage that caused the crash.

whole WTC attack could be faked

Yeah, and I could be the pope.

 

[Michal]

You've got to be kidding me. So now you're saying there were a few thousand RF receivers (which magically vanished) that somehow managed to all get the signal at the same time, throughout an entire building? I barely get cell phone reception in my cubicle and I'm 3 feet from a window.

ok, but we just can not deny it is not possible ... because it is

 

[excaza]

ok, but we just can not deny it is not possible ... because it is

You can't deny that it's not possible Romulans did it either.

 

[triforcharity]

ok, but we just can not deny it is not possible ... because it is

What frequency would these detonators work on?

Would they be shielded?

Show me how this contraption would work.

 

[Michal]

Correct. The buildings survived the plane crash. It was the combination of the plane, the fires, and the damage that caused the crash.

Apparenlty Leslie Robertson, says different. Make some research !!!

 

[Michal]

You can't deny that it's not possible Romulans did it either.

ok, so we do agree here.