Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Chris C]

They could have come home early. Isn't that the explanation why Amanda knocked on their door the next morning even though she, too, knew they were away?

Wouldn't be the first time Guede was caught by someone breaking into a place. There are atleast 2 incidents before Meredith that he broke into a place and was confronted without getting arrested. Lack of punishment for committing crimes makes criminals braver.

 

[Machiavelli]

Yes, you did both work from the same source material. But one person made a somewhat objective analysis of the print, while the other person's analysis was heavily polluted by confirmation bias and pseudoscientific nonsense. I wonder which was which...?

I suppose, the one who made a somewhat objective analysis of the print is the one who published a picture (like 200x400 pixel) in which a coloured Rudy's print was overlapped after visually adjusting in scale to a police enhanced picture of the bathmat print .

 

[Alt+F4]

Wouldn't be the first time Guede was caught by someone breaking into a place. There are atleast 2 incidents before Meredith that he broke into a place and was confronted without getting arrested. Lack of punishment for committing crimes makes criminals braver.

Could you describe the other than the nursery school? Thanks.

 

[Malkmus]

She never confessed to murder.

We know. What's your point? That people can only be talked into committing murder, and impossible to be talked into being at the scene during a murder? If so, could you elaborate?

 

[Katody Matrass]

I suppose, the one who made a somewhat objective analysis of the print is the one who published a picture (like 200x400 pixel) in which a coloured Rudy's print was overlapped after visually adjusting in scale to a police enhanced picture of the bathmat print .

Of course objective was the one who announced his 99% certainty, but was a bit vague about his reasoning

 

[Malkmus]

Could you describe the other than the nursery school? Thanks.

From the Massei report:

Cristian Tramontano, whose brief deposition the subject of July 1, 2008 was acquired at the hearing of June 6, 2009, testified about an [attempted] robbery in his home, carried out by a young man who, seeing that he had been observed, tried to exit the house and, finding the door locked, pulled out a jackknife with which he threatened Tramontano, who was following him to make him leave the house. Tramontano declared that he believed he recognised that the thief was Rudy when he saw his picture published in the newspapers.

The witnesses Paolo Brocchi and Matteo Palazzoli, lawyers, testified on the subject of the burglary of their legal office, located in via del Roscetto 3, Perugia, on the night between Saturday October 13 and Sunday October 14, 2007. The thief or thieves had entered through a window whose panes had been smashed with a rather large stone; the glass was scattered around, and they had found some of their clothing on top of the glass (p. 10, hearing June 6, 2009). From the first inventory they did, they found that a computer, a cell phone, USB keys and a portable printer were missing. On
October 29, a colleague in the law office had called the lawyer Paolo Brocchi to tell him that in the corridor was a person who said that he had been found with some goods in Milan, goods that had been declared stolen by the lawyer Brocchi, but which he claimed to have purchased legitimately in Milan. Later, the lawyer Paolo Brocchi recognised this person as Rudy Guede (p. 20, hearing of June 6, 2009).
The lawyer Palazzoli, who testified at the same hearing, and who was a colleague in the same law firm as Brocchi, declared that the broken window was "a French window opening onto a small balcony overlooking the inner courtyard of the building; beneath it, corresponding precisely to our window, there is a door equipped with a metal grille..." (p. 41, hearing of June 26, 2009). He also stated that he had been notified that the computer which had been stolen from him had been found in Milan.

The police told her that the computer had
been stolen from a law office in Perugia.

 

[Alt+F4]

We know. What's your point? That people can only be talked into committing murder, and impossible to be talked into being at the scene during a murder? If so, could you elaborate?

If it's so easy for the police to get someone to make a false confession of murder, why weren't they able to do it with Amanda? Wasn't she beaten? Wasn't she threatened with 30 years in prison? Pizza-starved? Wasn't she questioned for hours and hours with no rest? All this abuse, all this manipulation...and she still doesn't confess!

 

[Katody Matrass]

Could you describe the other than the nursery school? Thanks.

Alt+F4, Could you finish your point, we stopped at

They could have come home early

therefore.... what?

 

[Malkmus]

It was only 8:30-9:00pm and seven (or eight?) people lived in the house. The odds of someone coming home was very high

When Rudy broke in to Cristian Tramontano's home, Cristian was home.
The notion that Rudy would only break into a home if knew 100 percent no one would be inside or come home at some point is a non-starter. This applies to thieves in general. The Spader story Fuji is so happy to point out involved a burglary where the residents were home as well.

 

[Withnail1969]

I don't know anything of these cases.
Whoever speaks about mafia cases should know what they are talking about. It is quite obvious you don't know anything of what you are talking about.

It's the police chief of Naples, not me, who says this. Tell him he doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

[Chris C]

Could you describe the other than the nursery school? Thanks.

In the statement to police, Tramontano said he and his girlfriend were awakened by noises in their apartment early on Sept. 1 or 2, 2007. When Tramontano looked down from his loft bed, he saw a young man going through his belongings. Tramontano chased the man downstairs as he tried to escape, but the front door was locked. The thief -- who Tramontano identified as Guede -- first used a chair to keep Tramontano at a distance, and then pulled out a switchblade knife. Guede, who escaped, had stolen a 5 euro bill and three credit cards.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7946289&page=2

 

[Malkmus]

If it's so easy for the police to get someone to make a false confession of murder, why weren't they able to do it with Amanda? Wasn't she beaten? Wasn't she threatened with 30 years in prison? Pizza-starved? Wasn't she questioned for hours and hours with no rest? All this abuse, all this manipulation...and she still doesn't confess!

From everything we know about that interrogation the police focused all their energy in trying to get Amanda to point a finger a the man she supposedly went to meet that night - Patrick. There's nothing to indicate that they were interested in getting her to admit to killing Meredith, just that she knew who was responsible and that she was present, and therefore culpable.

 

[Withnail1969]

Of course objective was the one who announced his 99% certainty, but was a bit vague about his reasoning

Plucking random figures out of the air always adds credibility - just ask Antonio Curatolo. Even though he doesn't have a watch, he knew Amanada and Raffaele arrived at the basketball court at exactly 9:27 pm.

 

[Justinian2]

You think that dianetics indicates the innocence of Knox?
That's better than cartwheels. And not in a good way. Hubbard was a crank who's works may even subtract from the sum total of human knowledge and founder of a dangerous and downright evil cult. I really don't think you'll want to be referring to his works on this site if you expect a positive response.

The courts, government, police, the Church of Scientology, and big corporations all have some merit in places.

Anyway, I'm not referring to the book and subject of Dianetics; I am referring to the book and subject of "The Science of Survival"

Unfortunately the American Psychiatric Association and books like DSM-III-R tend to dwell on the negative, so I included a list on positive attributes.

If you don't agree that the list of positive attributes are good qualities and related, then what do you think are good characteristics?

Do you think that there are qualities that define good people and qualities that define bad people?

 

[Malkmus]

If it's so easy for the police to get someone to make a false confession of murder, why weren't they able to do it with Amanda?

Also, no one has ever stated it's "easy" to get someone to confess to murder. But since we know it's possible, you can't really argue the impossibility of Amanda saying she was at the cottage that night. Also, I'd appreciate if you answered my questions a few days ago regarding the false confession.

 

[Malkmus]

Ok, then what about both RS and AK's statements that they were asleep? Also I seem to recall reading somewhere RS's defense stating that he was being manipulated by the police because he couldn't say for certain that AK was with him the entire night because he was asleep.

All this means is that sooner or later the guilters are going to resort to changing their theories entirely to explain how Amanda and Rudy alone killed Meredith. The problem is that the double DNA knife and bra clasp immediately disappear. It also destroys the witness testimony of Curatolo. And the scenario becomes even more bizarre and unlikely.

 

[Alt+F4]

From the Massei report:

Which trial did Cristian Tramontano testify in, Rudy's or RS/AK's? The Massei report doesn't say.

 

[Alt+F4]

All this means is that sooner or later the guilters are going to resort to changing their theories entirely to explain how Amanda and Rudy alone killed Meredith. The problem is that the double DNA knife and bra clasp immediately disappear. It also destroys the witness testimony of Curatolo. And the scenario becomes even more bizarre and unlikely.

I didn't say anything in my post about the knife or the bra clasp. As for changing theories, it now seems RSs and AKs alibi has gone from "we were asleep" to "we were up most of the night on the Internet". So which is it?

 

[Alt+F4]

The courts, government, police, the Church of Scientology, and big corporations all have some merit in places.

Anyway, I'm not referring to the book and subject of Dianetics; I am referring to the book and subject of "The Science of Survival"

Unfortunately the American Psychiatric Association and books like DSM-III-R tend to dwell on the negative, so I included a list on positive attributes.

If you don't agree that the list of positive attributes are good qualities, then you're probably in the group of people that are "Generally Despised"

The Religion and Philosophy sub-forum is that-a-way ---->

 

[Alt+F4]

Plucking random figures out of the air always adds credibility - just ask Antonio Curatolo. Even though he doesn't have a watch, he knew Amanada and Raffaele arrived at the basketball court at exactly 9:27 pm.

Maybe he was high on weed, because people never forget comings and goings when smokin' the herb.