WTC dust

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

No. Please explain what you mean.

You know damn well what I mean. Don't be playing these mind games, I've had enough of that!

 

[djlunacee]

Going out there to do that was work, man. I didn't feel good myself. Everyone was sad, but I knew I could do a silly gag and that people would enjoy it, so I went through the effort it took. I didn't even have a ticket to the Yankees game. I just knew they'd enjoy my sign.

Your sign had nothing to do with it, the people were happy for a moment of normalcy. Sorry, you had nothing to do with it.

 

[DGM]

No, because I didn't come to the conclusion that is represented by my .sig for many years. I didn't determine that the WTC didn't collapse based on my personal experience of the events of the day. I was not even on the island. I only got back home two days later, and walked down to Ground Zero the next, rainy, morning.

But you say:

The World Trade Center did not collapse. It was turned into dust while it was standing there, and then the dust fell to the ground.

Were you standing there?


ETA: Sorry, I confused "It" with "I".


I retract the lie accusation and apologies.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Were you standing there?

Remember, she was on a road trip with her friend at the time. So the answer would be: "No".

 

[WTC Dust]

Your sign had nothing to do with it, the people were happy for a moment of normalcy. Sorry, you had nothing to do with it.

And I helped them laugh. They were laughing at me and my sign.

 

[WTC Dust]

But you say:




Were you standing there?


ETA: Sorry, I confused "It" with "I".


I retract the lie accusation and apologies.

OK no problem. I was just curious because I have selected the words in my .sig very carefully to reflect the exact truth I'm trying to communicate to you.

 

[alienentity]

The chain is very short. I discovered it, had a friend take some pictures before I did anything, and then collected it.

What year did you discover it?

Remember the RJ Lee samples were taken a few months after 9/11.

 

[WTC Dust]

You know damn well what I mean. Don't be playing these mind games, I've had enough of that!

I never said the steel turned into vapor, so I'm confused about what you think I actually said.

 

[WTC Dust]

What year did you discover it?

Remember the RJ Lee samples were taken a few months after 9/11.

Within the past year.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I never said the steel turned into vapor, so I'm confused about what you think I actually said.

You misrepresented what I said to you, I said:

That steel would somehow skip the melting process, then turn into vapor, then finally to dust.

You are claiming that the steel immediately turned to dust. How can that be if it's not a liquid, then a vapor first??

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

So you have no idea that in order for the steel to turn to dust, it would have to be a liquid, then turn into vapor, then finally into dust.

Honestly, how in the hell did it skip 2 stages before becoming dust?

 

[DGM]

You misrepresented what I said to you, I said:



You are claiming that the steel immediately turned to dust. How can that be if it's not a liquid, then a vapor first??

Grinding steel does not liquefy or vaporize steel but, does create a lot of dust.

 

[WTC Dust]

You misrepresented what I said to you, I said:



You are claiming that the steel immediately turned to dust. How can that be if it's not a liquid, then a vapor first??

Ah, okay, YOU'RE the one who thinks a solid must pass through the liquid phase before it becomes a gas and then ... the next stage is dust?

There are three things wrong about this. First, solids certainly can turn directly into gases without the intervening liquid stage, depending on the pressure. Example: solid carbon dioxide sublimates at room temperature and pressure. Second, you are assuming that the WTC was destroyed by heat, when I'm claiming it wasn't. Third, you seem to think that dust would be the final stage of heating, when that is far from the truth.

The steel turned immediately into dust because it was vibrated apart. It didn't heat up (that much). It never became a liquid, and it certainly never became a vapor EXCEPT in the technical sense that all solids and liquids generate gas just sitting there. You put any substance in a vacuum and a tiny amount of it will eventually exist in the gaseous stage after equilibrium conditions are met. I only added this because someone who actually knows chemistry might object to me not mentioning it.

 

[Sabrina]

Sabrina,

I really don't know why you are arguing this point.

I am arguing this point to show you the fallacy of assuming ANYTHING without having all the facts in evidence. You originally posted this photo and provided it as "proof" of your so-called "fumes" that "disrupted the ceremony" on the first anniversary of 9/11. You then stated that one of the reasons you believed this was because the firefighters there were not in formation. I pointed out to you the ludicrousness of such a theory, based on my own experience as a United States Army Reserve officer, and then moved on to pointing out that you really had absolutely NO context for the photo in question because you had provided no background story to it; you just posted and said, "Look! Fumes! I was right!" However, had you actually spoken to the person who took the photo, I would wager they would tell you that it was taken AFTER the formal portion of the ceremony, when the firefighters were not in formation to begin with, and just after a gust of wind had spiraled through a dirty, dusty construction site, stirring up dirt and debris. Now, I cannot be certain of this; after all, I haven't spoken to the photographer either. But at the very least getting you to admit, as you have done, that the brown swirls in the photo may very well be simple dirt swirled up by the wind would be sufficient for me to feel comfortable that you are actually LEARNING something by speaking with us here. Otherwise, I'll have to write you off as hopelessly whacko.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Grinding steel does not liquefy or vaporize steel but, does create a lot of dust.

True, but to have steel turn into dust immediately is something that George Lucas would come up with. Oops, he already did it with the Death Star.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Hey, man. I come from the world of academia, where you are expected to be the expert at whatever it is that you are doing.

Untrue. In the world of academia, you are expected to be at least competent at whatever you're doing. In the sciences, there are so many things to be learned that even the merely competent can contribute (and even become expert in some narrow area) provided they go about it competently.

Given the scientific incompetence you have demonstrated^* throughout this thread, I suspect you have not merely "come from the world of academia" but have had to leave it altogether.

^*Examples to be supplied upon request.

No big deal. I do know better than anyone else who is regularly replying to this forum. You might not like hearing this, but it's true.

There might be someone who knows more about what destroyed the World Trade Center, but if they aren't named Judy Wood, then I don't know who they are. It's no one on this list, which makes me better than all of you.

Cool story, sis'.

 

[WTC Dust]

Grinding steel does not liquefy or vaporize steel but, does create a lot of dust.

Do you think a million tiny monkeys were grinding away at the WTC on 9/11? Or if not this, what do you think can result in metallic WTC dust?

 

[DGM]

Do you think a million tiny monkeys were grinding away at the WTC on 9/11? Or if not this, what do you think can result in metallic WTC dust?

Lot's of banging together on the way down. Wait, have you shown that your sample was metallic?

 

[GlennB]

This thread is surreal.

I saw photosynthesis mentioned a few pages back.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Bolding's mine:

Ah, okay, YOU'RE the one who thinks a solid must pass through the liquid phase before it becomes a gas and then ... the next stage is dust?

I'm not the only one that thinks that ya know. You assume too much!

There are three things wrong about this. First, solids certainly can turn directly into gases without the intervening liquid stage, depending on the pressure. Example: solid carbon dioxide sublimates at room temperature and pressure. Second, you are assuming that the WTC was destroyed by heat, when I'm claiming it wasn't. Third, you seem to think that dust would be the final stage of heating, when that is far from the truth.

Actually, if it's a solid it must be turned into a liquid. Take an ice cube for example. It's a solid when frozen, then if you let it melt it turns into a liquid, if you heat it up it turns into a vapor. So you're completely wrong on that! No, you're claiming that it was a DEW, since you support Judy Wood. Doesn't wood turn into dust when it's burning? Yes it does! So you're wrong on all 3 counts!

The steel turned immediately into dust because it was vibrated apart. It didn't heat up (that much). It never became a liquid, and it certainly never became a vapor EXCEPT in the technical sense that all solids and liquids generate gas just sitting there. You put any substance in a vacuum and a tiny amount of it will eventually exist in the gaseous stage after equilibrium conditions are met. I only added this because someone who actually knows chemistry might object to me not mentioning it.

Vibrated apart? Really?! You know, you really should leave the chemistry to the scientists.