Israel is proud to present: The aggressor-victim

[travelgirl]

Once upon a time the staple piece of clothing was the blue shirt of the Labor Movement, and songwriter Mordechai Zeira sang about it: "And it's much better than all jewels." A new generation has arrived, and its shirt is darker. Today it's black and bears the legend: We are all the victims of Goldstone.

Dozens of friends of the two Givati Brigade soldiers arrived wearing these infuriating shirts at a military court a few days ago. Their friends had been convicted of overextending their authority while risking the life of an 11-year-old, and to be precise, of conduct unbecoming of soldiers. The soldiers received the scandalous support of senior officers, and the two convicted men have become heroes.

Edited by kmortis: 

Please only quote short passages from other sites. TO do otherwise violates Rule 4 of the Membership agreement.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...roud-to-present-the-aggressor-victim-1.322053

 

[Pardalis]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25744

see # 4

 

[WildCat]

travelgirl, do yo have any opinions of your own? Or is copying and pasting (and violating forum rules at the same time) all you're capable of?

 

[Pardalis]

travelgirl, do yo have any opinions of your own? Or is copying and pasting (and violating forum rules at the same time) all you're capable of?

Well you know how they think, they all speak with one voice, like the Borg, intellectual property doesn't exist.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Well you know how they think, they all speak with one voice, like the Borg, intellectual property doesn't exist.

Hmmm, yeah, kinda a waste of time to write your own stuff when all you do is tote the CT party line anyhow.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have a sneaking suspicion we have heard this tune before.

 

[travelgirl]

Oh, I've got plenty to say of my own, don't you worry. What do you care if I post a link? Worry about the fascists running Israel and the people that are being oppressed.

But carry on, avoiding the real subject. That will get us real far.

 

[INRM]

Travelgirl,

This is nothing new, we know Israel has done this for a long time. Still, I don't mind a discussion being started about it.

 

[Skeptic]

Oh, I've got plenty to say of my own, don't you worry

Doesn't seem so.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

oh, i've got plenty to say of my own, don't you worry. What do you care if i post a link? Worry about the fascists running israel palestine and the people that are being oppressed.

But carry on, avoiding the real subject. That will get us real far.

ftfy

 

[Doctor Evil]

Worry about the fascists running Israel and the people that are being oppressed.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Oh, and Orwell would love to see the word fascism abused today on a similar scale to 1944 (as well as the word orwellian... He'd probably use it to describe the peaceniks' attitudes towards Jihadists)

 

[The Don]

Oh, and Orwell would love to see the word fascism abused today on a similar scale to 1944 (as well as the word orwellian... He'd probably use it to describe the peaceniks' attitudes towards Jihadists)

Do you have any evidence to support this ?

I'm not saying that it's wrong, and I'm not an Orwell expert and you clearly are, but I haven't read about Orwell taking any stance regarding Islam and he certainly opposed re-armament against Germany.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

What i was saying was Orwell would have torn the left (particularly the thirdworldtraveler and globalresearch types) to shreds on their attitudes towards Al-Qaeda (Oh, they are only fighting for a better life), FARC (again, see AQ) and other terrorist groups.

I was also saying that orwell in one of his essays had noted the abuse of the word fascist.

 

[stokes234]

What i was saying was Orwell would have torn the left (particularly the thirdworldtraveler and globalresearch types) to shreds on their attitudes towards Al-Qaeda (Oh, they are only fighting for a better life), FARC (again, see AQ) and other terrorist groups.

I was also saying that orwell in one of his essays had noted the abuse of the word fascist.

Which leftist organisations support al-qaeda?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Which leftist organisations support al-qaeda?

I never said support. Perhaps i should have been clearer.

I meant that Peaceniks tend to sympathise with AQ or the Taliban (the term "Useful Idiots" comes to mind). Though not all pacifists are like that, you get the thirdworldtraveler and Ward Churchill demographic (nutty (dismissed) professor who claimed the US deserved 9/11)

 

[Pardalis]

In the leftist mind, the priorities go as follows:

1- downfall of America
2- destruction of Israel
































2498- freedom and democracy

So anything that can make 1 and 2 happen faster, they will gladly support.

 

[stokes234]

I never said support. Perhaps i should have been clearer.

I meant that Peaceniks tend to sympathise with AQ or the Taliban (the term "Useful Idiots" comes to mind). Though not all pacifists are like that, you get the thirdworldtraveler and Ward Churchill demographic (nutty (dismissed) professor who claimed the US deserved 9/11)

Which peaceniks? Which organisations or high profile spokespeople for any leftist group have shown sympathy for al-qaeda?

I ask this because my understanding was that leftists had been opposing radical islam for decades due to their atrotious human rights and civil liberties records, and that the accusation that leftists have been sympathising with al-qaeda was merely propaganda from the right wing media. Do you have any examples? Or were you more referring to your experience with a few individuals on this forum?

 

[stokes234]

In the leftist mind, the priorities go as follows:

1- downfall of America
2- destruction of Israel

2498- freedom and democracy

So anything that can make 1 and 2 happen faster, they will gladly support.

I consider myself a leftist, and this is the reverse of what I believe. But that strawman is in tatters, congrats on that.

 

[Pardalis]

Which peaceniks? Which organisations or high profile spokespeople for any leftist group have shown sympathy for al-qaeda?

How about Noam Chomsky for starters?