Did Jackie Kennedy kill JFK?

Sledge said:
So you think the .41 rimfire was used? This is the oldest version of the .41, dating back to 1863. By the time of the Kennedy assassination, it would be a woefully underpowered round, and certainly wouldn't duplicate the effects of a rifle bullet. Try again.

Oh, and you're the one making the argument here. You are responsible for what you say here, so no one is going to go chasing down the author to discuss your quotes.
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My latest post may change things a bit: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6529183&postcount=174

If the entry wound was actually much lower, then it's difficult to tell what caliber was used, since there seems to be no picture showing the actual entry wound clearly (at least not anything I have found so far). .41 could be wrong, I don't know. Black powder definitely sounds improbable.

And to be honest, the entry wound would perhaps have been more to the left if Jackie really was the shooter. Check out these images:

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv9/ContrarianThinker/JackiesHands.png?t=1284675812

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/whiteextending.gif
 
So you have absolutely no idea what weapon or caliber, no idea where the entry or exit points are, and no idea how to account for ALL of the wounds. Where have I heard this before? Does Therm*te ring a bell?
 
Anders Lindman said:
It could be that the head entry wound was actually just a bit above the rear hairline.

"Of this 21, 16 provide statements that suggest there was in fact no entry wound to the head found at the autopsy proper. That's 76%.
Only 5 suggest there was. They are the 3 autopsists, who disagree amongst themselves on the nature of this supposed wound, plus Roy Kellerman & John Stringer.
Of these 5, a full 100% claim the entry wound in the rear scalp was actually a little (a couple of cm) above the rear hairline, some 2" below
the eop. On this, then, there is a surprising (and very interesting) unanimity."

From: http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/eop_entry/eop.htm

And check out this image of the wound just above the hairline (called the scalp wound in the image): http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/eop_entry/graphics/scalp_rip2.jpg

If that is the real entry wound, then Jackie is definitely the only one who could have caused such a low entry bullet wound.
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There was an entry wound in the EOP region, but the shot that hit it was fired from behind and above. Jackie was, of course sat in her seat to the left of Kennedy confused and terrified as she watched her husband get shot in front of her. Where do you think she hid the gun? Actually, don't answer that...
 
From putting together all the conspiracy theories it looks like everyone in sight fired at Kennedy. It's a wonder there was anything left to bury.
 
Anders Lindman said:
My latest post may change things a bit: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6529183&postcount=174

If the entry wound was actually much lower, then it's difficult to tell what caliber was used, since there seems to be no picture showing the actual entry wound clearly (at least not anything I have found so far). .41 could be wrong, I don't know. Black powder definitely sounds improbable.

And to be honest, the entry wound would perhaps have been more to the left if Jackie really was the shooter. Check out these images:

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv9/ContrarianThinker/JackiesHands.png?t=1284675812

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/whiteextending.gif
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I think Jackie held the weapon with both hands in a very firm grip. Her right hand pulled the trigger, and her left hand and arm took most of the powerful recoil. A very tailored weapon could have been used (something that looked very different than an ordinary gun). If they had a thin bolt shooting out from the backseat of the car into JFK's back and out his throat James Bond style, who knows what other special equipment could have been used.
 
tsig said:
From putting together all the conspiracy theories it looks like everyone in sight fired at Kennedy. It's a wonder there was anything left to bury.
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Everyone killed Kennedy EXCEPT Lee Harvey Oswald, who was just taking his rifle out for some fresh air.
 
I think Jackie had a powerful double barreled gun surgically implanted in her right forearm, the barrels replacing the radius and ulna. After firing, the exit wounds on the heel of her hand were quickly covered with surgical tape and disguised by putting on fresh gloves. Who knows what other special equipment could have been used.
 
dafydd said:
Aristotle Onassis put her up to it.
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That's the difficult part of this theory I think. If it is true, then how the heck did they get Jackie to do it, and when was she trained to become an assassin? Was she trained already from childhood? Or much later on? :confused:

I have listened to some of Jackie's interviews, and she sounds a bit weird but a trained assassin? A mind control victim? I don't believe much in mind control of that kind.

And she had children together with JFK. The mere idea of her being the killer of JFK seems unbelievable, yet I think her actions in the Zapruder film look very suspicious.
 
Anders Lindman said:
No, no. I learned about this theory from other sources. Here is one of them again: http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK murder.htm

On that page the author writes: "The .41 rimfire cartridge was created for use in small Derringer type pistols. The .41 rimfire round was very slow, 13 grains of black powder propelling a 130 grain lead bullet at 425 feet per second, yielding a muzzle energy of 52 ft lb." (Cushman). This would be more than capable of taking part of President Kennedy's skull off, as Mrs. Kennedy implies."

If you have further questions, I suggest you contact the author.
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Why should I? It is completely obvious that I know far more about firearms and wound ballistics that either he does or you do.

The 9mm Parabellum round, generally considered the minimum for anti-personnel handgun rounds, delivers ~345ft.lb of energy, six and a half times times that of the .41 Rimfire; the old .38 S&W Special, once the mainstay of US police forces but now considered underpowered, delivers ~250fl.lb.
Even the .25 Auto round delivers 20 to 100% more energy, depending on loading; yet this rounds has demonstrated an inability to kill or incapacitate an attacker, even with a head wound.

Rather than parroting other peoples idiocy why not do some real research for yourself?
 
Pish, tosh and drivel.

I am of the female persuasion and I can assure you that no woman, however disgusted with her husband's infidelities, would risk getting blood and brain fragments all over that cute little pink suit.
 
I found this:

"JFK’s indiscretions with other women from the very beginning of their marriage. Perhaps Jackie was fed up, and possibly planning to divorce him anyway, so when she learned of the conspiracy (through Onassis?) to assassinate him, she volunteered. It’s reported in Peter Evan’s book, “Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the Love Triangle That Brought Down the Kennedys…”, that Jackie had begun an affair with Onassis just months before the assassination, and that the Kennedy marriage was in such shambles that divorce was almost inevitably going to happen after the next election. The Kennedys did not share the same hotel room in Texas the night before the murder."

And other alternatives here: http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-jackie-mkultra-did-t19325p3.html
 
Just tp put the absurdity of this thread into context, noted sharpshooter and ballistics expert Howqrd Donaghue formulated a theory that JFKs fatal headshot was fired by accident by Secret service agent George Hickey riding in the follow up car, a theory only marginally less silly than Anders' but from a recognised 'expert' in his field. The kind of people who testify in court and put people in jail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error:_The_Shot_That_Killed_JFK
 
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Anders Lindman said:
I think Jackie held the weapon with both hands in a very firm grip. Her right hand pulled the trigger, and her left hand and arm took most of the powerful recoil. A very tailored weapon could have been used (something that looked very different than an ordinary gun). If they had a thin bolt shooting out from the backseat of the car into JFK's back and out his throat James Bond style, who knows what other special equipment could have been used.
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Was it really even Jackie? More like a double who was specially trained and who could easily fire a powerful weapon held in the hand.
 
You have to hand it to AL, he has the courage to put forth a hypothesis. CTists are usually too cowardly for that, knowing how indefensible such a position would be.
 
RoboTimbo; said:
You have to hand it to AL, he has the courage to put forth a hypothesis.
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Yeah, one thats a load of bollocks, which is why you have a lot in common with him.
 
Anders Lindman said:
And she had children together with JFK. The mere idea of her being the killer of JFK seems unbelievable, yet I think her actions in the Zapruder film look very suspicious.
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Sure. And Jackie's miscarriage in 1955 and birth to a stillborn baby in 1956 were just cover-up stories about their murders to conceal that the children were actually fathered by Oleg Cassini.

BTW: Why would Jackie want to "look suspicious" during a public assassination were she knew there would be photographers along the route?
 
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