Did Jackie Kennedy kill JFK?

[Anders Lindman]

It's YOUR hypothesis, YOU support it. Now, the weapon and bullet, if you can.

No, no. I learned about this theory from other sources. Here is one of them again: http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK murder.htm

On that page the author writes: "The .41 rimfire cartridge was created for use in small Derringer type pistols. The .41 rimfire round was very slow, 13 grains of black powder propelling a 130 grain lead bullet at 425 feet per second, yielding a muzzle energy of 52 ft lb." (Cushman). This would be more than capable of taking part of President Kennedy's skull off, as Mrs. Kennedy implies."

If you have further questions, I suggest you contact the author.

 

[Drudgewire]

I thought that this was a parody thread of some sort, but have just looked at your earlier posts and, sadly, it isn't.

 

[Anders Lindman]

No, no. I learned about this theory from other sources. Here is one of them again: http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK murder.htm

On that page the author writes: "The .41 rimfire cartridge was created for use in small Derringer type pistols. The .41 rimfire round was very slow, 13 grains of black powder propelling a 130 grain lead bullet at 425 feet per second, yielding a muzzle energy of 52 ft lb." (Cushman). This would be more than capable of taking part of President Kennedy's skull off, as Mrs. Kennedy implies."

If you have further questions, I suggest you contact the author.

Black powder sounds a bit strange. I doubt that they used black powder, yet the claim that it would be enough power to cause such a wound sounds plausible to me. And using nitrocellulose or something like that instead of black powder would produce even more power I guess.

 

[catsmate]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a small weapon with an expanding bullet being able to cause that kind of damage. Even a .32 perhaps with enough gunpowder.

Yes but people with actual knowledge of ballistics do.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

You're now on ignore.

I urge others to do the same.

Why. This is today's chuckle.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Well, since you know so much about gunsmoke,

Why didn't "Miss Kitty" marry the marshall?

 

[catsmate]

i did see an episode of knight rider once when there was an evil kitt so you never know

KARR
Damn it why won't that display in caps...
OK, NOW it does.

 

[catsmate]

It was a MIL-SPEC secret gun powder capable of much more than ordinary gunpowder.

ETA: or the round itself was a secret 'rocket-round' that was capable of vastly increased muzzle velocity.

Then it'd have to be huge, rockets are far less efficient at converting propellent energy to kinetic energy.

 

[catsmate]

And? This isn't the weapons board on 4chan, we expect slightly more than pretty pictures of firearms.

A fictional weapon in fact; the "Golden Gun" is a film prop.

 

[catsmate]

Years ago I would needle JFK conspiracy buffs with the theory that Jackie finally got sick of her husbands endless parade of dames into his bedroom, aside from Jack Kennedy's chauvanistic disrespect for her and decided to have him offed. I would argue that the affair with Marilyn Monroe was the final straw so Jackie arranged to have Jacked snuffed out as the adulterous pig he was; in her endeavour she was aided by Maria Oswald who got her husband to do it and Jackie paid her by arranging through mob mistress Judith Esker to have Lee knocked off, as payment to Maria who was tired of being an abused wife. Judith was just plain sick of Jack being both a disgusting chauvanist and a lousy lover. Oh abnd Jackie arranged the assasination to happen the way it did because she wanted to personally see her ##$%^^@$ of a husband get his brains blown out in front of her.

Of course I meant it as a joke and a way of needling conspiracy nut jobs. I'm frankly aghast that anyone would take this seriously.

I hope this is a joke!

See? This is what happens when you underestimate the stupidity of conspiracy theorists.

 

[catsmate]

Cool. Now tell us about this .32 derringer that delivers a gunshot wound indistinguishable from a rifle bullet.

And then either turns into a 6.35mm rifle bullet or evaporates.

 

[tsig]

He he. Sorry about that. I like to propose a whole spectrum of ideas. I actually had a more clever connection between Jackie Kennedy and Michelle Obama, but I have forgot exactly what it was and I haven't saved any info about that. Darn. Something about how their past was linked via another person, via education or via people who introduced them to their husbands, something like that. At least a more interesting connection than the lame Harvard connection between their husbands I posted above.

So you're just kinda free associating here?

 

[abenja1]

In my opinion there was no second shot. Something hit JFK in the throat, that's true, but it was not an ordinary bullet. Mr. Connally only pretended to be hit.

Tell that to his doctor who pulled the bullet out of him.

 

[Ranb]

I know enough to know that the amount of visible smoke from a gun is very much dependent on the weather condition; resulting in all the way from barely visible smoke to heavy smoke.

Too bad for you. The amount of visible smoke depends much more on the type of propellent and firearm used than the weather conditions. It seems your ignorance knows no bounds. Typical of a person who makes things up on the fly instead of thinking about it even for a little bit.

Ranb

 

[CurtC]

Tell that to his doctor who pulled the bullet out of him.

No one pulled a bullet out of Connally. After going through his chest and his wrist, the bullet injured his thigh, possibly being embedded in it. The bullet fell out all by itself on the stretcher at Parkland.

Of course, if Connally was just pretending, he's got some 'splainin to do about the holes through his chest and wrist, and the shallow one in his thigh. I guess those were self-inflicted or something.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Tell that to his doctor who pulled the bullet out of him.

But did a doctor really pull out a bullet from his throat? I know that some doctor made the throat wound much larger, but I don't remember anything about some bullet being pulled out. Here is the original size of the throat wound (pardon all these gross autopsy images, but it's important to show what happened): http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Kquinn856/Kennedy-5.jpg (plus poor image quality, I have seen better versions of this image but couldn't find any at the moment)

 

[Anders Lindman]

Another autopsy image, showing the entry wound in the back. Note that it is the small wound with a swelling around the rim that is the actual entry wound, not the larger wound above that.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/back.jpg

So the angle between the entry wound and the exit wound in the throat is very much horizontal. My theory is that this tiny hole was caused by a bolt shooting out from the backseat of the car. Pretty James Bondish, but I think that's more plausible than a bullet.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Why didn't "Miss Kitty" marry the marshall?

Not enough money, perhaps?

 

[Anders Lindman]

It could be that the head entry wound was actually just a bit above the rear hairline.

"Of this 21, 16 provide statements that suggest there was in fact no entry wound to the head found at the autopsy proper. That's 76%.
Only 5 suggest there was. They are the 3 autopsists, who disagree amongst themselves on the nature of this supposed wound, plus Roy Kellerman & John Stringer.
Of these 5, a full 100% claim the entry wound in the rear scalp was actually a little (a couple of cm) above the rear hairline, some 2" below
the eop. On this, then, there is a surprising (and very interesting) unanimity."

From: http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/eop_entry/eop.htm

And check out this image of the wound just above the hairline (called the scalp wound in the image): http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/eop_entry/graphics/scalp_rip2.jpg

If that is the real entry wound, then Jackie is definitely the only one who could have caused such a low entry bullet wound.

 

[Sledge]

No, no. I learned about this theory from other sources. Here is one of them again: http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK murder.htm

On that page the author writes: "The .41 rimfire cartridge was created for use in small Derringer type pistols. The .41 rimfire round was very slow, 13 grains of black powder propelling a 130 grain lead bullet at 425 feet per second, yielding a muzzle energy of 52 ft lb." (Cushman). This would be more than capable of taking part of President Kennedy's skull off, as Mrs. Kennedy implies."

If you have further questions, I suggest you contact the author.

So you think the .41 rimfire was used? This is the oldest version of the .41, dating back to 1863. By the time of the Kennedy assassination, it would be a woefully underpowered round, and certainly wouldn't duplicate the effects of a rifle bullet. Try again.

Oh, and you're the one making the argument here. You are responsible for what you say here, so no one is going to go chasing down the author to discuss your quotes.