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You have no idea my friend... no idea. To put it into perspective, on the day that you pull back in to port and tied up to the tender you looked forward to seeing the women who worked on the tender. Not to put too fine of a point to it but lets just say that certain standards were lowered as to what was worth looking at and what wasn't and just leave it at that.
 
So are you calling the people who claimed to have talked to their loved ones on the flights liars?

No. I can't account for the words of other people. I'm telling the truth, or as close to it as I can get.
 
You missed a couple of posts.

Also, where did Tesla demonstrate that device?

Which device? Tesla made a lot of devices. I don't know that he used the 2.5 hp one in the ESB story. I don't know that the quote is real, either, but it's curious.
 
No comment about posts 2126 and 2128, I see. Typical twoofer. Simply ignore evidence that contradicts the fantasy.
 
I'd like to announce that I have some dust from the WTC as well. Mine is almost 100% iron - amazing stuff.

I just received the sample from a dumpster-diver this afternoon, but the provenance is beyond reproach - he got it from a friend of a friend who found it in his vacuum cleaner bag.

We don't know how the dust made it to Milwaukee, but that's a minor detail - the dust is from the WTC, tower 1, floor 88 to be exact. :)

Yes, I suppose there are a few suckers out there who will buy Dr. Blevins bad hoax. Oh well....
 
No amount of wishful thinking and torturing of the evidence is going to change reality - that the towers collapsed due to fires.
It doesn't matter how persistent a person is, how determined they are to 'prove' the point - that isn't going to make any difference.

The most likely outcome of Dr Blevin's pursuits is that she will sell some product, perhaps get invited to speak at some truther events, and basically try to exploit these hoaxes for as much money as possible.

She will stay as far away from mainstream science (and they her) as possible, since there's no chance of confirming her hoax - ain't gonna happen. She will not publish in a mainstream science journal.

But she might follow Richard Gage and Dr. Jones in the book/DVD publishing racket. If she's really lucky. Maybe Dylan Avery will resurrect his career by doing a documentary on her....

Sylvia Browne, a psychic charlatan, became a nationally recognized figure - but her brand of hoax is far more appealing to the general public, whereas this 9/11 claptrap is basically negative and repulsive. On the other hand, maybe Sylvia could talk to some of the deceased 9/11 victims to see whether they and the buildings were dustified by a DEW.
That kind of evidence would be really impressive - a slam dunk for 9/11 Truth. ;)
 
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I'd like to announce that I have some dust from the WTC as well. Mine is almost 100% iron - amazing stuff.
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I'd like to announce that I have some dust from Mrs. Blevin's bedroom. It is almost 100% cow dung.
A material, by the way, that is about 4 times as energetic as nanothermite :D
 
Let's say I'm right, and no tail section was found in the hole at Shanksville.

They said a plane crashed there, right? So you'd expect to see something like the remnants of a plane crash when you got there.

Not really. (Just my opinion as a veteran Air Force fire fighter.)

Fine. Now, look at as many different plane crashes as you can find, especially ones that involved high speed. Discover how many of them include a tail section that survives an impact.

There was none at the crash site when the Value Jet crashed in the Everglades. (NOTHING was visible on the surface.) Somewhere around here, Beachnut posted a photo of an unidentified crash site where the aircraft was entirely buried in what may have been old land fill. The ground at Shanksville was relatively uncompacted fill, possibly tailings and glacial till. Paul Klipsch's thirty-feet long Spitfire was buried about three feet deep in very stiff, compact clay and compressed into a wad five feet high. Sand and fist-sized cobbles, for the most part. Much more yielding than European clay. There are photos of very small bits of aluminum all over the place, mostly from the rear of the aircraft, all down-range of the impact crater. Admittedly, an amateur might expect the tail to still be identifiable. They do tend to break off rather easily but they have been known to follow the rest of the aircraft into a crater. Sometimes, they bounce out. Some times they don't. Having not seen the individual pieces from Shanksville identified by location and presumed part of the aircraft, I would speculate that the tail eith followed the rest of the aircraft into the crater and was buried when the temporary channel into the ground collapsed or it was shattered on imppact with the ground, thus scattered about with the other small scrap.

Understand that in a normal crash, the vertical stabilizer remains vertical with the narrow end pointing at the sky for at least a little while after the empanage has separated from the fuselage so that it sustains fewer blows to damage it.

This was not the case at Shanksville. The shape of the crater and the way that the ground is pushed up on the down-range side show clearly that the plane was up-side-down on impact. There is also a clearly visible impact mark in all the aerial shots immediately after the crash. The vertical stabilizer clarly impacted with the ground, subjecting it to impact and shearing forces far beyond what a normal crash would involve, I dout that any large pieces were left when it stopped moving.

There is a far better crash site to which the crater of Flt 93 could be compared. The Caspian Air crash in July of 2009 reduced the aircraft to very small shards of metal, with a few of the control surfaces still identifiable.

The crater of Caspian Air did not look like that at Shanksville, but that does not prove that they should have looked the same. The ground into which the Caspian Air plane crashed was far firmer than that at Shanksville. There was about three or four feet of what appears to be brown loess soil over a darker layer of what appears to be mudstone. The impact blew a lot of the soil and the underlieing stone out of the crater, along with an assortment of scrap. The empanage, thus, was not subjected to the same impact as that on Flt 93, but it still sustained far more serious damage than is normal.

What is most important, for comparative purposes, is the depth of the crater. It is only slightly shallower than that at at Shanksville, but did not collapse back around the aircraft because the walls of the crater were far more stable. Had the ground there been as soft as that at Shanksville, it is unlikely that as much debris would have been found on the surface.

No laws of physics were broken at Shanksville, nor should it raise an eyebrow among those familiar with aircraft accidents that there was so little left on the surface.

You really need to stop what you are doing and run your evidence by a few more fire fighters and maybe a welder or two before you make an utter fool of yourself in public.
 
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The reason the tail section survives more often than the nose of the plane is because the impact of the nose onto the ground actually slows the plane quickly. By the time the tail has a chance to reach the ground, the plane has already stopped...

Actually, no. The empanage is often built as a somewhat separate structure from the rest of the fuselage. They break off easily. This is especially true of Boeing aircraft, from what I have seen. This is also why the black boxes are usually installed in some part of the empanage. They are more likely to survive there. As I recall, the empanage of a 747 once blew out in flight when a bulkhead failed. There were no survivors.
 
If no aircraft crashed on 9/11 where are they now? what happened to them?
Where are the passengers and crews that were aboard the aircraft?
 
It's rather obvious that no reasonable questions asked of WTC dust will be answered, and any answers given to questions will be either garbled nonsense about physics she doesn't understand or similar rubbish.

I suggest that unless you're engaging with her for ***** and giggles that we just let her drown herself in her own unintelligible babble.
 
Here's a quote attributed to Nikola Tesla:

Tesla also claimed that his OSCILLATOR could knock down any building and even split the earth in half:

"So powerful are the effects of the telegeodynamic oscillator", said Tesla in reviewing the subject in the thirties, "that I could go over to the Empire State Building and reduce it to a tangled mass of wreckage in a very short time. I could accomplish this result with utmost certainty and without any difficulty whatever. I would use a small mechanical vibrating device, an engine so small you could slip it in your pocket. I could attach it to any part of the building, start it in operation, allow it twelve or thirteen minutes to come to full resonance. The building would first respond with gentle tremors, and the vibrations would then become so powerful that the whole structure would go into resonant oscillations of such great amplitude and power
that the rivets in the steel beams would be loosened and sheared. The outer stone coating would be thrown off and then the skeleton steel structure would collapse in all its parts. It would take about 2.5 horsepower to drive the oscillator to produce this effect." (O' Neill, Prodigal Genius, p. 165).

That sure sounds like the business to me. I note that the other posters don't seem to be impressed at all.
 
Because it isn't sourced, and isn't likely, and hasn't ever been demonstrated to my knowledge.

Yet another example of Truther physics(TM).
 
Was that an answer to my question? Why is it important WHO took the photograph?

You can't figure out why it might be important to know who took the photo, really?

Stop and think about it for a while and see if you can't figure it out.

I noticed that you ignored the other points AGAIN.

I'll make you a deal, answer my other points and I'll give you the answer to that question. Do we have a deal?
 
Again, the physical arrangement of the material in my sample is important here. I have been describing it as a dust, and it certainly is very, very dusty. But a more perfect description of the dust would be to call it a "foam".
The metallic dust (and not the lighter colored dust) has a foamy appearance and a certain strength and physical consistency that allows you to actually pick it up and hold largish chunks of it (~a few grams). But any slight scratch or scrape causes the chunks to fall apart into this incredibly fine dust.

It's a metallic foam, is what it is. I was sorta planning to save this for the seminar, but whatevs.

I see that the use of quotes around the word dust ("dust") in my posts were entirely valid.

Nothing about your "dust" is important until you can show the origin of your "dust". You can't do that, so everything else you say about your "dust" is moot.
 
I've been studying the dust for nine years, but I obtained my first sample of the dust within the past year.

I hope you can forgive the tardiness of my report. I hope you can wait until December 1.

So, you have claimed that the photo of the "dust" is in situ. You just got that "dust" less than a year ago. So that "dust" had been sitting in a home like that for 8+ years? Really?

If not, please explain what you meant.
 
If I'm right, manipulation of the Casimir effect also destroyed several thousand toilets, too. It's not the scale I'm talking about.

Does it matter if a molecule of steel in a 1368 foot steel beam is one micrometer out of whack? No. It does matter to nanoscale devices.

Toilets? What have toilets got to do with anything?

The Casimir effect has been observed between metal plates with a sub-micron separation in vacuum. You think changing a magnetic field in some unspecified way can reverse the effect and produce sufficient force to reduce very large steel beams to iron vapour. I'd like to know what magnetic field you believe needs to be applied, and where and how.
 
It would only be forty feet per second until the molecules of iron reached an average density of one atom per micrometer, under the theory I'm currently exploring.

Have you explored how large all that iron would become if expanded to 1 atom per micrometer?

My first rough calculation suggests each kilogram would fill a sphere almost 250m across. What figure do you get?
 
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