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The Freeman Movement and England

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1pso fact0 said:
You need to understand debt and who engineered it to understand how to deal with it.

Debt was created to keep the system in lock-down, raise taxation, keep the man who works for his family under the heel of Gov.

A matter of dealing with it then becomes a matter of seeing where it came from and how best to remove the liability.
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So...it's a conspiracy then?

I don't suppose you have any proof that government debt is the product of such?

1pso fact0 said:
How to reduce waiting lists? If I am queuing at asda, asda simply put more people on the checkouts. Equate it yourself.
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Which costs more, which has to be paid for either from taxation or...government borrowing!
 
Tolls said:
How to reduce waiting lists? If I am queuing at asda, asda simply put more people on the checkouts. Equate it yourself.
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Which costs more, which has to be paid for either from taxation or...government borrowing!
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No, 1pso has a solution that doesn't involve either. Bringing in slavery for NHS workers:
1pso fact0 said:
Back in the day hospitals were run and managed to a degree of efficiency – matrons saw to much of the day to day work, cutbacks forced staff cuts and longer working hours for the staff who remained.
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Tolls said:
Which costs more, which has to be paid for either from taxation or...government borrowing!
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I think you're forgetting something. Adding new doctors to the health care system is just as easy as adding new cashiers to the local supermarket.

It must be, because otherwise 1pso's analogy would be very, very silly, wouldn't it?
 
Mojo said:
No, 1pso has a solution that doesn't involve either. Bringing in slavery for NHS workers:
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D'rok said:
I think you're forgetting something. Adding new doctors to the health care system is just as easy as adding new cashiers to the local supermarket.

It must be, because otherwise 1pso's analogy would be very, very silly, wouldn't it?
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heheh...so it's either NHS slavery and half-asleep junior doctors or pull in extra staff in the form of (presumably) spotty youths from the local job centre to work on your dodgy knee.

Hmmm...choices, choices.
 
Tolls said:
heheh...so it's either NHS slavery and half-asleep junior doctors or pull in extra staff in the form of (presumably) spotty youths from the local job centre to work on your dodgy knee.

Hmmm...choices, choices.
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I vote for Option C: Have the Invisible Hand of the Free Market operate on you.
 
1pso fact0 said:
You don't believe that there are waiting lists on the NHS?

I do not believe those waiting lists are fiction, I do not believe that super bug is fiction.

Please provide information that there are no waiting lists for knee ops, hip replacements, eyes ops etc.
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You asserted that waiting lists in the NHS were the worst they have ever been.

I posted evidence that they're lower than they have been of 25 years.

I never claimed that there were no waiting lists. I DID claim they were smaller (thanks to the additional NHS investment) and provided evidence to support that claim

1pso fact0 said:
The maximum anyone should have to wait for these ops is a week, the reality of the wait is far, far longer. The NHS is overburdened, and if you can supply evidence to show otherwise i would like to see it.
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You've pulled a requirement for how quickly someone should be seen out the air. Currently the NHS manage to the targets they have been set and are largely successful

1pso fact0 said:
#Are the more people employed by the NHS now per capita that say forty years ago?
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In 2009, 1,368,200 NHS employees servicing a population of 62 million

in 1970, 719,000 NHS employees servicing a population of 55.6 million

Nearly twice as many per capita


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5975520.ece
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1981/jan/29/the-nhs-number-of-employees

1pso fact0 said:
'My plan' as you have put it was to suggest that the money collected be better spent, and of course, if spending more on the NHS, meant a better public health service, then I’d be happy to spend on a service that was worthwhile.
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Can you provide evidence that the NHS is not performing better ?

I have already provided evidence that it is.

1pso fact0 said:
If i buy a car for new £6k it will be adequate tool for me to drive from one place to another. If, however, I buy a car for £60k, that car will do the same job, likely be more reliable and be much more efficient, driver friendly and comfortable.

The NHS is that £6k car, if it were a £60k car, ran more efficiently, with less breakdowns and more reliability – sure it is a better option. You get what you pay for, simple.
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And we get an excellent service. Can you provide evidence (other than merely anecdotes) that show that the NHS isn't performing better than it was.

That's not to say that with an infinite amount of money and an infinite number of employees that it couldn't do more

1pso fact0 said:
The huge chunk of income that is taken on tax, directly applied taxation through VAT, stealth taxation etc is ploughed in to paying off the national debts, that money could be better spent funding the NHS and local services - and the system seems to be engineered to revolve around paying off debt rather than funding.
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How much of government spending is currently devoted to paying off debt ?

What would you imagine the impact would be if:

- We defaulted on our current debt
- We had to balance the budget every year

1pso fact0 said:
I'm sorry you fail to see how the hard earned money that is collected in tax is not being as well spent as it should be. And if it was well spent, then the tax burden placed on every hard working man and woman would be eased and the tax payers could spend THEIR money on what THEY wanted, perhaps a holliday or private health care / pension plan.
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I'm pretty happy with the way my money is spent - but then again I don't pay anywhere near as much tax as you do because I have a good accountant.

I personally would send less on defence and more on supporting education but I realise that there are contrary views.

Running the nation and balancing the budget every year is impossible, not least because receipts and expenditure quite often move in the opposite direction. Wishing away the debt won't work, defaulting on the debt won't work.
 
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The Don said:
How much of government spending is currently devoted to paying off debt ?
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I thought I'd save him the effort, so I looked it up.

According to here the annual interest on the debt is about £43 billion (see the section Cost Of National Debt).

According to here the tax taken in by the government for 09-10 was about £480 billion. So the interest payments on the debt are less than 10% of tax receipts.

ETA: Also worth noting we are paying less than that which is why, currently, the debt is growing. And that the tax receipts for 09-10 are expected to be the low point of the recession, as far as government income is concerned.
 
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Tolls said:
I thought I'd save him the effort, so I looked it up.

According to here the annual interest on the debt is about £43 billion (see the section Cost Of National Debt).

According to here the tax taken in by the government for 09-10 was about £480 billion. So the interest payments on the debt are less than 10% of tax receipts.
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There's a difference between paying interest on the debt, and actually paying off the debt.
 
girlgye has emerged from under a rock and started a thread over on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142826
Are the roads public?

Hmm. I've been really grappling with this for some time now as those of you who know me know. I was trying to figure out what kind of Trust the Driver is and how they are making up that Trust.

For a while I looked at the Chasis, and number plate as being the trust property. Registration and subsequent signature being the contract and agreement.

But what if it is the road that is the Trust? Has anyone else been working on this. I'm not interested in the opinions of buffoons telling me what I should pay my taxes and be a good girl either.
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I would hazard a guess at "no".
 
I just read the following; fortunately I had already swallowed my soup otherwise it would have decorated my desk:

The real reason the judge leaves the court

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142608


Truly standing in court

When you appear in court, the judge is using the jurisdiction of the Bar Society. We must assert that we are a living being, the blood flows; the flesh lives. So we say:

Sir, I’m here to establish, for and on the record, that I’m a living being, my blood flows; my flesh lives and I humbly ask for remedy.

At this point, it is remedy we seek.

The judge now has to offer remedy or he is in dishonour; to avoid providing remedy and his own dishonour, he will leave the court. Whilst he has gone he does something in the background (In all likeliness a Masonic Ritual Prayer) When he comes back into court, he comes back in honour to regain jurisdiction under Maritime Admiralty Law.

Our first statement must be to reiterate our standing:

Sir, to reiterate, for and on the record, I’m here to establish I’m a living being, my blood flows; my flesh lives, I humbly ask for cure and maintenance.

At this point it is cure and maintenance we seek.

The judge now has to offer you cure and maintenance. (Admiralty), or he is in dishonour under this law; to avoid his dishonour again, he will leave the court for the second time. (Secretly changing identity to Ecclesiastic Minister) when he reappears, he is now an ecclesiastical priest, under Canon Law. (Vatican)

Again, we must reiterate our standing:

Sir, to reiterate, for and on the record, I’m here to establish I’m a living being, my blood flows; my flesh lives, I am Sovereign and nothing stands between my self and the Divine.

It is only at this third standing that Sovereignty can be declared. As the judge has tried and failed at getting jurisdiction over you 3 times, he is in dishonour and his magic and can no longer work as a judge, The game is over for him. FOREVER.
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I'd like to think if there were a fourth standing, the judge leaves the courtroom and secretly changes identity to Batman (or Wonder Woman, if female), and the rest of the assembled sing numbers from Jesus Christ, Superstar!
 
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zooterkin said:
There's a difference between paying interest on the debt, and actually paying off the debt.
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Yes, but his arguiment is that all our tax is going towards paying for the debt...which is simply not the case. If it was (or even a large percentage of it was) we wouldn't actually have a national debt.

Since the debt is increasing (at the moment) then it is clear we are not even covering the interest. I know that's not perfectly accurate, but it's a pretty good guess...of course, I'm not an economist, so I might well be missing something.
 
Tolls said:
Since the debt is increasing (at the moment) then it is clear we are not even covering the interest. I know that's not perfectly accurate, but it's a pretty good guess...of course, I'm not an economist, so I might well be missing something.
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You could also increase the debt by increasing the principal, even if you're paying off all the interest as it come due. Let's say you have $20 income, have to pay $10 as interest on an existing debt, but also need to spend $15 to do everything you want to do.

You pay the $10 in interest, pay the remaining $10 you have on hand to pay the first 2/3s of your required spending, and then borrow $5 to pay the remaining 1/3. Next year, your interest payments will be slightly higher to cover the interest on that new $5 in debt.
 
Horatius said:
You could also increase the debt by increasing the principal, even if you're paying off all the interest as it come due. Let's say you have $20 income, have to pay $10 as interest on an existing debt, but also need to spend $15 to do everything you want to do.

You pay the $10 in interest, pay the remaining $10 you have on hand to pay the first 2/3s of your required spending, and then borrow $5 to pay the remaining 1/3. Next year, your interest payments will be slightly higher to cover the interest on that new $5 in debt.
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I think you've just explained how the US government works.
 
BobHaulk said:
Maybe girlgye should look to the tax disc. It's got wavy lines on it as part of the security mark but we all know that we live under admiralty law so these waves clearly mean the law of sea holds jurisdiction over the vessel that is a taxed car
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Hasn't gg had her car crushed and spent a few days in jail following this stuff?
 
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