Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Jungle Jim]

It would be useful in Rudy's defense to have independent confirmation that Rudy had a rendezvous planed with Meredith on that night. However, Rudy was in contact with his friends via Skype while on the run after the murder.

Rudy would have been asking himself what excuse he had for being at the cottage that evening. A simple phone call to his friends would then confirm if they would back him up. Even just by asking if they remember such a conversation he would have contaminated their memories of those conversations.

Of course, anyone that believes Rudy had a date with Meredith that night would by inference be saying that Meredith was a promiscuous slut that was bringing boys she hardly knew back to the cottage while her current boyfriend from downstairs was out of town.

We know Rudy had at least one Skype conversation with a friend. Was the name of the friend ever revealed? What is the source for your statement that Rudy had Skype conversations with multiple friends?

Are you suggesting that Rudy’s friends, particularly Philip, agreed to lie to the police investigating a murder?

Even if Rudy did tell Philip he had a date with a girl it would not necessarily mean it was with Meredith. He may have just said that to give the impression to his friend that he was a “ladies man.” In any case, you do believe he left the Town Center and went to the cottage, correct? Regarding your “promiscuous slut” statement, that is just bizarre.

 

[Jungle Jim]

Iirc from the Micheli report rudy also claimed to to be at A's place at about 11:30 PM that night. I guess A is Alex. I would have to assume that Alex denied this because mignini changed the time of the murder to around 11:30 PM.

Denied that Rudy came by at all, or denied that he came by at 11:30?

In the German diary Rudy says he went by Alex's place around 11:30 and they left together at around midnight.

 

[Mary_H]

<snip> Regarding your “promiscuous slut” statement, that is just bizarre.

Dan O. is referring ironically to the fact that Amanda was depicted as being promiscuous for allegedly bringing men she barely knew to the cottage.

 

[Dan O.]

Still looking for the quote from Biscotti...

Try this one; http://translate.google.com/transla...de_0a1842a4-a28e-11dd-9d1b-00144f02aabc.shtml

 

[el buscador]

Denied that Rudy came by at all, or denied that he came by at 11:30?

In the German diary Rudy says he went by Alex's place around 11:30 and they left together at around midnight.

I only assumed that Alex denied seeing rudy at 11:30 PM because mignini changed the time of the attack. If there is a witness that rudy was somewhere else at 11:30 PM surely he wouldn't have made the change.

 

[Dan O.]

Jungle Jim, try to be realistic. In his German diary Rudy is constructing either an account of what actually happened or an alibi to justify where he was. In either case, to intentionally insert false facts that might be verified as false would undermine the intent of writing this diary. To claim he met a specific person at a specific time and place can either be verified if the person confirms they were there or falsified if there is evidence that proves the person could not have been there. When there is no contradictory information, Rudy's claims in such cases (even though he is a pathological lier) stand as the best available facts.

 

[Mary_H]

Try this one; http://translate.google.com/transla...de_0a1842a4-a28e-11dd-9d1b-00144f02aabc.shtml

AWESOME, Dan, thank you! No wonder I couldn't find it -- it was Gentile, not Biscotti.

THE SEX LIFE OF MEREDITH - Who was Meredith Kercher? . From this question the lawyer Nicodemo Gentile, defender Rudy Guede, started to describe the British girl murdered on the night between 1 and 2 November 2007. . "It was not a very reserved girl and had no approach from anyone - the lawyer said Gentile - indeed, he liked drinking, taking drugs (cannabis) when he was in good company. This is not to say it but we said the former boyfriend of Mez and some of her friends. He also had a healthy sex life, three hundred and sixty degrees. " A description of Meredith, certainly a bit 'outside the box designed by the Kercher family, but in fact are a girl of twenty years as all the others. And like all the others, according to the lawyer Nicodemo Gentile, felt its attraction not only for the Italian boyfriend. Hence the conviction, the lawyers, on the evening of November 1 and Rudy Meredith had gathered to spend some 'together away from prying eyes."

 

[el buscador]

Jungle Jim, try to be realistic. In his German diary Rudy is constructing either an account of what actually happened or an alibi to justify where he was. In either case, to intentionally insert false facts that might be verified as false would undermine the intent of writing this diary. To claim he met a specific person at a specific time and place can either be verified if the person confirms they were there or falsified if there is evidence that proves the person could not have been there. When there is no contradictory information, Rudy's claims in such cases (even though he is a pathological lier) stand as the best available facts.

Hi Dan O., I agree with you except rudy claimed he was with someone at 11:30 pm. If Alex confirms this fact, where does it put mignini's timeline for the attack if one of the trio has a confirmed alibi?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

the possibility of the prosecutor's appealing Rudy's sentence

Frank Sfarzo did not write that the prosecutor general could not file an appeal but rather that he did not file an appeal (Perugia-Shock, May 7, 2010): “The prosecutor general --which had asked to the Corte d'Assise d'Appello to confirm the 30 years for Guede-- didn't file any appeal. So, while Amanda and Raffaele still risk life in jail --since the prosecution appealed-- Rudi will not take more than 16 years. He could receive an additional discount or he could be acquitted. He has some chances, actually. At least, if The Knife theory will still be alive at the time of his Supreme Court trial. If.”

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Rudy's stories

Still looking for the quote from Biscotti, I see he had a strong hand in the dissemination of the "changing alibis" myth:

The notion that Rudy never changed his story is insulting to one's intelligence in its own right. To take just one example, Rudy first identified the bushy haired stranger as left-handed, IIRC. Yet Raffaele is right-handed. It is probably worth remembering that Rudy's foster father thought him a terrible liar.

 

[Jungle Jim]

Hi Dan O., I agree with you except rudy claimed he was with someone at 11:30 pm. If Alex confirms this fact, where does it put mignini's timeline for the attack if one of the trio has a confirmed alibi?

In addition, Rudy said he had a conversation with Philip specifically about having a date with a woman. Philip either met with Rudy or he did not. If he did meet Rudy he either remembered the conversation or he did not, but I doubt he would lie about it.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

human versus animal blood

Exactly. Rudy got their same sentence, but on his appeal and in a fast trial.

I think Luminol reactions in Raffaele's apartment are all blood. Not all of them necessarily human blood.

It is possible to tell human blood from animal blood with antibodies. Were the luminol-positive spots in Raffaele's apartment ever treated in this way?

 

[RoseMontague]

In addition, Rudy said he had a conversation with Philip specifically about having a date with a woman. Philip either met with Rudy or he did not. If he did meet Rudy he either remembered the conversation or he did not, but I doubt he would lie about it.

It appears that they did not confirm the 11:30 Alex and later with Philip, although he evidently was with somebody according to Borsini report: (Google translation)

Instead, according to his statements, his concern, after going home to clean up (which was stained with the blood test his palm print on the pillow beside the body of the victim) was to get an alibi, trying to see his friends Alex Maly Raw and Philip, who, however, say they have reviewed only the next evening, there is, however, the testimony of Espinilla. Martin Carolina reported seeing him at Domus on the night of November 2 and I, in company of people who did not know, testimony that confirms the intention of the accused to be noticed in a place away from via della Pergola.
The night between the 2 and 3 November 2007, the Domus Guede was spotted by Rebecca Savoy and Avital Benedik and on that occasion, reports that Julia Davis was asked when a minute's silence to commemorate the death of British girl 's defendant was dancing with her.

 

[Scorpion NITE]

I have recently read an interesting post on another forum which has given me food for thought indeed. I have been wondering all day whether (setting obvious delusions of grandeur aside) either of the stated aims/objectives would actually be feasible for a junior clerk in a Solicitor's office? Even for a 'professional' defence counsel for that matter?

In such a high-profile case, would anyone truly take these words seriously for more than 3 seconds before falling down and rolling about on the floor in fits of laughter? Is it just me that cannot comprehend the mindset of the person who would write:

''...But what I'm going to pledge to do now is the two main jobs I consider I need to do:

i) I'm going to take down Steve Moore
ii) I'm going to try to persuade Rudy to tell the truth

There's no dishonour in trying and failing. There's only dishonour in not trying. I'm going to give both my best shot. And when I try to make things happen, generally a lot of stuff goes off, whether I ultimately succeed or not, so I guarantee you I'll make it messy on both counts.

In the meantime, I'll post up everything I learned in Perugia. And then, with all of that, my job, as good as I can do it, will be done....''

It might benefit him at this stage of the process, but at the initial stage of the process it most benefited him to claim himself completely innocent, as there was always a chance he might be acquitted. As such, he had everything to gain by accusing someone else of the murder. He had to accuse innocent people; that was the only kind of people available to accuse.

If confessing now gains him privileges, then maybe his lawyers will advise him to do that, especially since his sentence can't be increased. The sense of taking that step probably will depend on the strength of the evidence at the appeal.

I can see why Rudy would be resistant to confessing, though. It seems to be very important to him to hold that he didn't kill Meredith. To confess would entail coming to grips with having killed her, as well as having to admit he is liar.

If confessing now gains him privileges, then maybe his lawyers will advise him to do that,


Failing which, of course, a 'professional defence counsel' from England might be able to interject and 'sort things out' to everyone's satisfaction.

Not sure if Rudy would be allowed to accept a small payment in Euros should this kind-hearted well-wisher want to thank him for being so humble, sincere and intelligent. Sadly, I fear that a picture would definitely be out of the question - though I will not commit 100% to this stance (hedging my bets, I guess) as anyone capable of 'taking down Steve Moore' may well have contacts I couldn't even dream of. (Although...actually...speaking of dreaming ... )

Seriously considering the possibility of Rudy confessing is difficult for me at the present time, but I guess stranger things have happened. I do get the distinct impression though that a number of the 'guilters' would still bleat on about not believing Rudy whatever he confessed to, since that would mean re-examining their stance on Amanda/Raffaele.

Time will tell.

 

[Machiavelli]

It is possible to tell human blood from animal blood with antibodies. Were the luminol-positive spots in Raffaele's apartment ever treated in this way?

I have no idea. I know some spots were identified by DNA as Amanda's blood. I think none of the traces find at Sollecito's could be significant evidence, so I think there is no reason to put much effort into this investigation, neither from the prosecution nor from the defence prespective.

 

[el buscador]

I have no idea. I know some spots were identified by DNA as Amanda's blood. I think none of the traces find at Sollecito's could be significant evidence, so I think there is no reason to put much effort into this investigation, neither from the prosecution nor from the defence prespective.

What do you mean "spots were identified by DNA as Amand'a blood?

 

[Machiavelli]

What do you mean "spots were identified by DNA as Amand'a blood?

It's not difficult to understand. In raffaele's bedroom there were blood drops of Amanda. They were thought to be meaningless.

 

[el buscador]

It's not difficult to understand. In raffaele's bedroom there were blood drops of Amanda. They were thought to be meaningless.

Was it blood or was it just DNA? DNA does come from many sources, not just blood. Did the spots test positive for blood or are you just assuming it was blood?

 

[Machiavelli]

Was it blood or was it just DNA? DNA does come from many sources, not just blood. Did the spots test positive for blood or are you just assuming it was blood?

I said it was blood. Actual human blood. Why are you so interested in this? This is meaningless, it's no evidence.

 

[el buscador]

I said it was blood. Actual human blood. Why are you so interested in this? This is meaningless, it's no evidence.

Could you please cite that the spots were tested and found to be Amanda's blood. I'm interested because you have made the claim and I would like to see you back it up.