WTC dust

[bill smith]

You have seen them Bill. Your ignorance expects them all to be piled up nicely on top.

No I haven't, and neither have you.. Where are all these columns that should be sitting on top of each other in a massive pile in the centre of the footprint of WTC2 ? They are NOT there Tri . I don't want to see any of your closeup photos either. I want to see panoramic or aeriel shots. The contextless closeups could be faked in any kid's bedroom.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1615521411849861778

Where are all these core columns that we see in the video ? THEY ARE NOT THERE.THEY ARE GONE.

 

[excaza]

must have been a black hole

 

[bill smith]

must have been a black hole

Tell it to the Judge..

 

[excaza]

Tell it to the Judge..

or you could just be wrong

 

[bill smith]

or you could just be wrong

Let's have a full-scale independent investigation and find out.

 

[excaza]

Let's have a full-scale independent investigation and find out.

Go ahead, nothing's stopping you.

 

[uke2se]

Let's have a full-scale independent investigation and find out.

I'm fine with that.

Who pays for it?

Who carries it out?

Where is it published?

Who makes sure the investigation has subpoena power?

Will a new investigation satisfy you if it comes to the same conclusion as the last?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

So there wasn't a molten pool of steel under the WTC after all?

He has all of these scenarios thought up in his head for each situation. So really he'll try to have it all ways. It's no planes, thermite, and DEW! Geez I wonder where he might go if I confessed that I was an NWO age- oops I said too much... *whistles* :r

 

[triforcharity]

He has all of these scenarios thought up in his head for each situation. So really he'll try to have it all ways. It's no planes, thermite, and DEW! Geez I wonder where he might go if I confessed that I was an NWO age- oops I said too much... *whistles* :r

You know Miss L is NOT going to be happy with you, right? She has that little Kitty of hers, and he's not very nice......

 

[Oystein]

Now now Glenn. Why not tell the Readers the full Truth about what I said ? I said that I would only accept panoramic shots with other buildings for context and aeriel photographs. No closeups without context accepted- they could be faked anywhere after all.

None of this steel was under any debris...Video available.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6506515&postcount=1087 hyperlink

Why do you link to your lied-up claim of "5 miles of columns should be on top of rubble"?

Please admit you lied that number up.
Please do some work and come up with a realistic estimate.
List assumptions, show work, state result.
When we know how many miles of core columns you expect to see in aeriel photographs, we can go and look for them.

No point to search for something before you tell us what to search for.

 

[alienentity]

Let's have a full-scale independent investigation and find out.

Not necessary or practical to have a full-scale investigation to determine whether you're wrong or not, Bill. You'd just call for yet another, and another investigation when the new ones didn't confirm what we already know isn't true.

You would never accept the results of a competent investigation, based on the fact that you don't accept the results of prior competent investigations.

That's why you're a complete waste of everybody's time, frankly.

 

[uke2se]

Not necessary or practical to have a full-scale investigation to determine whether you're wrong or not, Bill. You'd just call for yet another, and another investigation when the new ones didn't confirm what we already know isn't true.

You would never accept the results of a competent investigation, based on the fact that you don't accept the results of prior competent investigations.

That's why you're a complete waste of everybody's time, frankly.

While this is probably true, I don't think we should stand in the twoofers' way when they ask for a new investigation, as long as they can define some things about the investigations, namely funding, authority, membership and the like.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If there was another investigation and it din't say that the steel was 'dustified' would you be happy?

I thought the Freemen on the Land proponents were mad but the 'DEWers' take the biscuit. Seems we have at least 4 of them now as well. Good old Jammy, Fonebone, Dusty and now Billy bob.

It's growing I tell you!

 

[A W Smith]

wheres the hair?

The other mile of core column was below ground level and so you would not expect to see it back in the footprint like the above ground ten miles.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080313/news_1c13hair.html

Each strand of hair grows, on average, 1 centimeter, or slightly less than half an inch, per month. The average full-headed person grows about 10 miles of hair annually.

So wheres all the hair from those workers at ground zero BS? there's 8.4 million people in Manhattan. in a year that's 84 million miles of hair in NYC alone. So where is it?

 

[Justin39640]

I still wanna know how an invisible beam from space dustified structural steel.

Apparently, it was giant invisible jumper cables.

 

[WTC Dust]

Originally Posted by WTC Dust [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif[/qimg]
Seems like there's a mental block with most of you.

why..because we think your theory is rediculous?

hell, its not even a theory. a true scientific theory can be TESTED.

I await the results of the independent testing of your theory.

I agree that scientific theories can be tested. Let's take the theory that a jet fuel office fire can destroy a steel building.

Here's a simple model: Take a steel cage, a plain and simple steel cage. The size doesn't matter, but let's say it's one foot cubed. Put this steel cage in a large bucket, one completely filled with kerosene. Light the kerosene and step away.

What is your expected result? Will the steel break apart into a zillion pieces?

My prediction: Not much will happen to the steel cage.
My reasoning: Such things already exist. They're called "propane grills".

No matter how much propane you have, your grill doesn't break apart like the steel of the WTC did. You might say, "But the steel broke because of gravity." But this would ignore the initiation event. You say the steel got weak. From ... an office fire? An office fire that is at least an order of magnitude smaller than the fire that had already taken place in the WTC in the mid '70s? You have to prove this to me, because I think it's a ridiculous theory.

 

[uke2se]

I agree that scientific theories can be tested. Let's take the theory that a jet fuel office fire can destroy a steel building.

Here's a simple model: Take a steel cage, a plain and simple steel cage. The size doesn't matter, but let's say it's one foot by one foot. Put this steel cage in a large bucket, one completely filled with kerosene. Light the kerosene and step away.

What is your expected result? Will the steel break apart into a zillion pieces?

My prediction: Not much will happen to the steel cage.
My reasoning: Such things already exist. They're called "propane grills".

No matter how much propane you have, your grill doesn't break apart like the steel of the WTC did. You might say, "But the steel broke because of gravity." But this would ignore the initiation event. You say the steel got weak. From ... an office fire? An office fire that is at least an order of magnitude smaller than the fire that had already taken place in the WTC in the mid '70s? You have to prove this to me, because I think it's a ridiculous theory.

Don't you know that the best way to empirically simulate the WTC towers is by using cardboard boxes? Pizza boxes or office sorting trays also work.

How would you go about to dustify the cage?

 

[Architect]

I agree that scientific theories can be tested. Let's take the theory that a jet fuel office fire can destroy a steel building.

Here's a simple model: Take a steel cage, a plain and simple steel cage. The size doesn't matter, but let's say it's one foot by one foot. Put this steel cage in a large bucket, one completely filled with kerosene. Light the kerosene and step away.

What is your expected result? Will the steel break apart into a zillion pieces?

My prediction: Not much will happen to the steel cage.
My reasoning: Such things already exist. They're called "propane grills".

No matter how much propane you have, your grill doesn't break apart like the steel of the WTC did. You might say, "But the steel broke because of gravity." But this would ignore the initiation event. You say the steel got weak. From ... an office fire? An office fire that is at least an order of magnitude smaller than the fire that had already taken place in the WTC in the mid '70s? You have to prove this to me, because I think it's a ridiculous theory.

Sorry, but you're covering old ground here. Can I please direct you to this thread.

Once you've read it, come back with some real questions rather than simple arguments from personal incredulity.

 

[excaza]

I agree that scientific theories can be tested. Let's take the theory that a jet fuel office fire can destroy a steel building.

Here's a simple model: Take a steel cage, a plain and simple steel cage. The size doesn't matter, but let's say it's one foot by one foot. Put this steel cage in a large bucket, one completely filled with kerosene. Light the kerosene and step away.

What is your expected result? Will the steel break apart into a zillion pieces?

With gross (and, to be frank, completely stupid) misunderstandings like this, it's no wonder you're so incredulous. Your comparison completely misses the mark. Put a weight on top of your steel cage. Will your cage continue to support the weight after it's been in a fire for a while?

The fire didn't break apart the steel. The temperature response of steel (and every other material) is either known or can be specifically determined. The fire weakened the steel. Weight and impacts broke the steel.

An office fire that is at least an order of magnitude smaller than the fire that had already taken place in the WTC in the mid '70s?

Orders of magnitude? Care to quantify this? Be specific.

Did an airplane crash into the towers in the '70s?

 

[dtugg]

I agree that scientific theories can be tested. Let's take the theory that a jet fuel office fire can destroy a steel building.

Here's a simple model: Take a steel cage, a plain and simple steel cage. The size doesn't matter, but let's say it's one foot cubed. Put this steel cage in a large bucket, one completely filled with kerosene. Light the kerosene and step away.

What is your expected result? Will the steel break apart into a zillion pieces?

My prediction: Not much will happen to the steel cage.
My reasoning: Such things already exist. They're called "propane grills".

No matter how much propane you have, your grill doesn't break apart like the steel of the WTC did. You might say, "But the steel broke because of gravity." But this would ignore the initiation event. You say the steel got weak. From ... an office fire? An office fire that is at least an order of magnitude smaller than the fire that had already taken place in the WTC in the mid '70s? You have to prove this to me, because I think it's a ridiculous theory.

I think this deserves ten laughing dogs.