WTC dust

[BigAl]

It's not a lie, dear Thunder. It's the truth, which exposes the lie you've believed for all these years.

Interesting to me that you say it's the biggest lie, which means it's actually the biggest truth you've come across since 2006. And I agree. It's a really big, obvious, world-history changing truth.

The WTC became almost entirely dust.

Wrong. I saw the clean-up daily.

Did you?

 

[WTC Dust]

And just in case you missed it, how can you possibly state that there was "too much" dust generated in the collapse when you won't quantify how much there would have been if it was a "normal" collapse?

You are providing only assertion, not evidence. Show us some actual evidence of this "dustification by DEW" and we have something to work with.

DEW is Dr. Judy Wood's theory, not mine. If you want to debunk her theory, that's fine, but it doesn't touch me. Dr. Wood didn't live in NYC. Dr. Wood doesn't have any WTC dust. We are not the same people, and we do not tell the same story.

My story is compatible with Dr. Wood's theory, and it doesn't contradict Dr. Wood's theory, but that isn't because Dr. Wood and I are working together. It's because her theory is probably right. I know my observations are correct and correspond neither to an airplane crash nor thermite.

If you can debunk Dr. Wood's science, then go right ahead. I'm willing to dump DEW ASAP if it ever gets debunked. But until then, or until you propose a mechanism that can actually result in the damage seen, then her theory is still the best out there.

 

[WTC Dust]

What did the steel turn into when it became dust? if it was still steel then many thousands of tons of steel would have been recovered as dust and could be remelted.

If it stopped being steel when it became dust what did it become?
WHAT DID THE IRON TURN INTO WHEN IT STOPPED BEING IRON?

Captain! Calm down. Did someone say the iron stopped being iron? I didn't.

 

[dtugg]

DEW is Dr. Judy Wood's theory, not mine. If you want to debunk her theory, that's fine, but it doesn't touch me. Dr. Wood didn't live in NYC. Dr. Wood doesn't have any WTC dust. We are not the same people, and we do not tell the same story.

My story is compatible with Dr. Wood's theory, and it doesn't contradict Dr. Wood's theory, but that isn't because Dr. Wood and I are working together. It's because her theory is probably right. I know my observations are correct and correspond neither to an airplane crash nor thermite.

If you can debunk Dr. Wood's science, then go right ahead. I'm willing to dump DEW ASAP if it ever gets debunked. But until then, or until you propose a mechanism that can actually result in the damage seen, then her theory is still the best out there.

Your hero Judy Wood doesn't have a theory. "DEW did it" is not a theory.

 

[WTC Dust]

The conslusion doesn't follow from the premisses.

May I suggest you take this logic to a peer-reviewed engineering journal? "After collapse initiation, a dust cloud developed that quickly obstructed the actual collapse from view. We therefore have to conclude that the entire buildings where turned into dust, even though photographic post collapse evidence contradicts our conclusion." will fly very well.

Don't waste your time debating on obscure internet fora! Start writing that paper immediately! A career as in internationally highly esteemed civil engineer is very much on your path!

Good luck!

While you are at it, write a second paper that explains why steel framed buildings are inherently safe when it comes to commercial aircraft crashing into them. In this time of financial crisis such a breakthrough paper is more than welcome since it opens the prospect of reducing building cost, and will win you high esteem from not only the civil engineering community and the construction industry but also from the general public!

You make me laugh.

I came to JREF for a debunking, not instructions on how to proceed with my work. I'm the scientist, here. I know what to do, thanks.

 

[WTC Dust]

And you think the trusses resisted those horizontal forces and not the perimeter skin, diaphragm and perimeter moment frames?

Newton,

You have made a false statement about my beliefs in the form of a question, so I decline to respond.

 

[excaza]

Why on earth would you come to JREF for a debunking?

 

[Sabretooth]

It takes a research scientist to figure out what actually happened, as opposed to an internet debunker.

There are two things that you might never be able to convince me:
1. That an airplane crash could result in this damage.
2. That thermite caused this damage.

Don't even bother trying, unless you've got something that nobody else has.

Are you implying that no planes hit the WTC?

 

[WTC Dust]

So is he basically saying they went in and cleaned up ground zero with a few Shop Vacs and some dust pans? 'Cause all the steel turned to dust? Really?

Anyone who says that was normal dust is wrong. I've got some of the dust. It is very, very strange dust, and there is more than one type of it.

 

[dtugg]

Anyone who says that was normal dust is wrong. I've got some of the dust. It is very, very strange dust, and there is more than one type of it.

When are you going to do a scientific analysis to prove that a significant portion of the dust is steel or iron? Never? Thought so.

 

[excaza]

Anyone who says that was normal dust is wrong. I've got some of the dust. It is very, very strange dust, and there is more than one type of it.

"Normal" and "very" strange being incredibly specific and scientific terms.

I presume you've analyzed the samples and have their compositions, Mr. Scientist?

 

[WTC Dust]

It's odd, he's claimed that most steel turned to dust, but also that the steel didn't really turn into 'dust', but fumes. And now it's dust again.

WTC Dust, how can you not acknowledge the enormous piles, of hundreds of thousands of tons of steel making up for the vast majority of structural steel, visibly there. Seriously, it looked like the largest steel junkyard I've ever seen. You must realise that the idea most of it turned to dust, or into gaseous form, is ridiculous!?

I say that the fumes were very fine dust that came from the buildings.

If you think an airplane crash can do this, then it's really up to you to show how this could happen.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, about an airplane crash is sufficient to turn the WTC into dust. Even the resulting fires that would have happened are not capable of doing this.

 

[WTC Dust]

Wrong. I saw the clean-up daily.

Did you?

I can't say "daily" because I did leave the city a few times, but I did see it very regularly.

 

[dtugg]

I say that the fumes were very fine dust that came from the buildings.

If you think an airplane crash can do this, then it's really up to you to show how this could happen.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, about an airplane crash is sufficient to turn the WTC into dust. Even the resulting fires that would have happened are not capable of doing this.

Good thing the WTC didn't turn into dust. Problem solved.

 

[Dave Rogers]

It takes a research scientist to figure out what actually happened, as opposed to an internet debunker.

Having been a research scientist for a quarter of a century, I'm fully able to figure out what actually happened. It's really not very complicated, and it doesn't require the violation of any laws of physics.

There are two things that you might never be able to convince me:
1. That an airplane crash could result in this damage.
2. That thermite caused this damage.

Don't even bother trying, unless you've got something that nobody else has.

It's perfectly clear that there is no point whatsoever trying to convince you of anything. I'm just commenting for the benefit of sane and honest people.

Dave

 

[WTC Dust]

Your hero Judy Wood doesn't have a theory. "DEW did it" is not a theory.

As long as you continue to say she doesn't have a theory, you'll continue to fail to debunk it.

Sad story, for a pro debunker, I'd say.

<fingers in ears>
NA NA NA! Dr. Wood doesn't have a theory! NA NA NA!'

Ok. Moving on.

 

[WTC Dust]

Having been a research scientist for a quarter of a century, I'm fully able to figure out what actually happened. It's really not very complicated, and it doesn't require the violation of any laws of physics.



It's perfectly clear that there is no point whatsoever trying to convince you of anything. I'm just commenting for the benefit of sane and honest people.

Dave

WOW! Why are you even talking about violating the laws of physics? What kind of scientist would even consider this as a possibility?

 

[WTC Dust]

Good thing the WTC didn't turn into dust. Problem solved.

What caused all that dust, if it wasn't the WTC?

 

[dtugg]

As long as you continue to say she doesn't have a theory, you'll continue to fail to debunk it.

Sad story, for a pro debunker, I'd say.

<fingers in ears>
NA NA NA! Dr. Wood doesn't have a theory! NA NA NA!'

Ok. Moving on.

Why don't tell us her supposed theory?

I won't be holding my breath.

 

[dtugg]

What caused all that dust, if it wasn't the WTC?

Some stuff inside the WTC like drywall, ceiling tiles, fireproofing (but not steel) turned to dust. But that is not the same thing as saying "the WTC turned to dust."