Juan williams fired from NPR

applecorped said:
I don't think Juan disagrees with you. He went on to explain this to O'Reilly after his initial comments. This reminds me of the Sherrod debacle.
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I don't think this has much in common at all with the Sherrod debacle. The White House threw Sherrod under the bus before they had all the facts. The subsequent embarrassment was entirely self-inflicted. While I don't agree with NPR's decision, I see no evidence that they didn't get all the facts first.
 
rwguinn said:
^^this
If I am on a college campus, black, brow, yellow or green kids in baggy pants with their drawers showing are not going to bother me.
If I pull in to an all-night gas station in North Ft Worth at 2:00 Am, they will make me nervous--possibly to the point of going elsewhere for my snickers bar and gas. Is that bigotry? Nope--it is called "Situational Awareness"
Being nervous about folks in Muslim Dress in an airport is a legitimate reaction to past events and human failings.
Doing something about it--reporting them as "suspicious", or refusing to board the same plane, would be a different story. Feeling nervous? no.
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How many Muslims wearing Muslim dress have hijacked airplanes? It sounds like a case of historical unawareness causing prejudice.
 
hgc said:
How many Muslims wearing Muslim dress have hijacked airplanes? It sounds like a case of historical unawareness causing prejudice.
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Are you intentionally being obtuse?
The relevance is not the dress--it is the association, and the self-identification "Hey, look at me! I am a Muslim, in an airport. Remember what Muslims did on 9/11/2001?" is the message many people see. Were it not for the dress, one might have no idea that they ARE Muslim.
 
ravdin said:
I don't think this has much in common at all with the Sherrod debacle. The White House threw Sherrod under the bus before they had all the facts. The subsequent embarrassment was entirely self-inflicted. While I don't agree with NPR's decision, I see no evidence that they didn't get all the facts first.
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NPR threw him under the bus not because of his supposed bigotry but due to his constant appearances on FOX. The initial accusation of bigotry is NPR's self-inflicted embarrassment.
 
The funny thing is, (if this hasn't already been mentioned), if an Islamic Fundamentalist was going to perpetrate another attack on an airplane, would he or she really wear Muslim garb? I would think they wouldn't want to call attention to themselves. The 9/11 hijackers didn't, IIRC.
 
Women showing cleavage makes me nervous. I get all akimbo in my downlow parts. Do I think this should be held against me? Well... I kind do.
 
jimtron said:
The funny thing is, (if this hasn't already been mentioned), if an Islamic Fundamentalist was going to perpetrate another attack on an airplane, would he or she really wear Muslim garb? I would think they wouldn't want to call attention to themselves. The 9/11 hijackers didn't, IIRC.
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see post #43
It ain't the clothes, in and of themselves.
 
"Juan Williams should have kept his feelings about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist."
NPR CEO Vivian Schiller

NPR is a class act all the way. Schiller did not personally apologize to Williams. Now that NPR got rid of its only black male news analyst, they can proceed to get rid of Mara Liaison, as per George Soros orders.


http://uservideos.smashits.com/vide...ay-between-himself-and-his-psychiatrist-.html
 
If a plane was full of non-Muslims, and a plane was full of Muslim, which would you say had a higher probability of being blown up? Clearly not all Muslims are terrorists. Very few are. But if you had to place a bet on which plane had the higher probability, which would you pick? And would it make you a bigot?

It's not so much about religion or race, but more so about the mindset of someone who takes the supernatural so seriously they have to wear special clothing. Many here who find it bigoted would probably get worried if they saw people dressed like satan worshipers. Doesn't mean they are dangerous, but they may have a higher probability of being so.

Does it warrant being scared? Well that will vary from person to person.
 
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ANTPogo said:
Having bigoted reactions does not make you a bigot. Having bigoted reactions, and embracing those reactions, refusing to acknowledge that they are bigoted, that's what makes you a bigot.
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"Juan Williams should have kept his feelings about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist."

NPR CEO Vivian Schiller ANTPogo

If only Juan had unburdened himself on your couch before his comments were taken out of context on FOX News, he would still be employed by NPR. At least until the next trumped up moment they could use as a lame excuse to fire him. Even Whoopi is on Juan's side.
 
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I'm not bigoted, but..

Juan Williams, explaining himself.

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as black men .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the 1992 riots.
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Oops, no he actually said:

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Jews .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks on the King David hotel.
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Hmm, that's not it.

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as white men .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks of Tim McVeigh.
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Nope...now what was it?

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Hispanics .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the Alamo.
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Still not there...

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Muslims.

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by radical Muslims.
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Ah yes, he's right. When it's about Muslims, it's totally not bigoted.
 
Didn't realize this thread was here, but I posted in politics:

Not bigoted?

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as black men .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the 1992 riots.
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Oops, no he actually said:

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Jews .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks on the King David hotel.
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Hmm, that's not it.

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as white men .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks of Tim McVeigh.
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Nope...now what was it?

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Hispanics .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the Alamo.
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Still not there...

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Muslims.

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by radical Muslims.
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Ah yes, he's right. When it's about Muslims, it's totally not bigoted.
 
Unabogie said:
Juan Williams, explaining himself.

Oops, no he actually said:

Hmm, that's not it.

Nope...now what was it?

Still not there...

Ah yes, he's right. When it's about Muslims, it's totally not bigoted.
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He is trying to tell us that "feelings" cannot be bigoted.

;)
 
Thunder said:
He is trying to tell us that "feelings" cannot be bigoted.

;)
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I don't know anything about him or why he got fired but maybe he is saying those fears are not neccesarily bigoted not that they cannot be bigoted.

People may have unreasonable fears because of something that happened and not be racist.
 
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