Public Education is a Socialist Monopoly

[brenn]

I think he's opposed to public education in general. Because poor people shouldn't have access to such a luxury item. or something.

Well, the market value of an education IS relative to the education of everyone else, so he may have a point. In that sense, it is like giving everyone more money to make everybody rich.

 

[blutoski]

I know rather a lot of public school teachers. I know none of them with kids in private school. I'd love to see evidence that there's any kind of trend for teachers to do so. I suspect there is not.

I think it's true that some public school teachers send their kids to private schools.

It's not clear why this would be evidence of hypocricy. Lots of businesspeople send their kids to public schools, and I don't think this is a compromise of any sort.

 

[JonathanQuick]

I earn about $88,000 a year, but then I have a Masters degree in physics (not in physics education, thank you) and have been teaching for about 13 years. In the free market, I can demand a higher salary than most others in my field due to my degree and experience. In addition, I happen to teach in a well-to-do community who wants real experts in their subject matter teaching at the local high school.

So, even in our "evil, socialist" system there is a fair amount of capitalism and free-market forces at work. Ironic, given the OP

Please, please, enough with the "free-market forces at work."

1. Your pal, uruk, claims to have graduated Suma (SIC) cum laude:

"Yea, I want to work there. I've been teaching at a local community college for eleven years and my salary is only $60,000. And I graduated Suma cum laude "

Pretty funny. Roll your eyes on that one, physicist.

2. You work 9 months, not 11 1/2. Adjust for that. You're good at math.

3. Granted that physicists are much more intelligent than the average teacher. What then do you do to try to get rid of the dross? Nothing is probably a good guess. Your union won't let you do a damn thing.
Kids are stuck with incompetents all over America.

4. Finally, why don't you put in your application for a job earning MORE than
$8,888.88 a month, plus all the cushy benefits teachers get. I'll bet you $10,000 you can't find such a job in 90 days.

See, I wagered two leftists a few years ago when they shot their mouths off.
The first was Ken Minyard, a retiring talk show host. He called all conservatives "stupid." I offered to pay for IQ tests for both of us, and the loser would pay the winner $10,000. Big Mouth Ken passed.

Then fat boy Josh Mankewicz of NBC, I believe, said the same thing in an e-mail to me. I made that offer to tubby, and he passed.

My last test came in at 135 or 140, I can't recall which. But as a chemical engineer, I have respect for other science grads. For education and sociology majors, feminist studies, ethnic studies, basket weaving, and so forth, not so much.

Incidentally, I found it extremely bad judgment on your part when you hatefully attacked the emeritus physics professor at UC Santa Barbara.

Extremely bad judgment.

 

[JonathanQuick]

Private schools are not a solution.

Teacher's Union Talking Point #1

Why then do thousands of public school teachers send THEIR kids to private schools, as do the Obamas?

The hypocrisy is stultifying, sickening, nauseating.

 

[JonathanQuick]

I think it's true that some public school teachers send their kids to private schools.

It's not clear why this would be evidence of hypocricy. (SIC) Lots of businesspeople send their kids to public schools, and I don't think this is a compromise of any sort.

"Some".

That's good. "Some."

You obviously have no idea how many.
Teachers' unions keep their sheep in tow.

Now please learn how to spell words you select to write.

 

[JonathanQuick]

It's not unheard of for a teacher's salary to max out at around that level, especially in wealthier areas.

However...To get that kind of pay, you generally have to have a PhD with several decades' teaching experience. Those that get those sorts of salaries are few and far between.

Try a master's degree, and a "super max" designation.

You people really have to get together so you don't waste so much time on idle speculation.

 

[lionking]

So no solution then. Thanks.

 

[excaza]

(drivel snipped)
Incidentally, isn't it the pinnacle of hypocrisy that thousands of public school teachers send their kids to... private schools...... while preaching exactly the opposite.

Curious how you don't mention any conservatives in your rant.

How is it hypocrisy? They're not saying everyone should go to public schools. They're saying public schools need help. And they do.

 

[blutoski]

"Some".

That's good. "Some."

So we agree?

You obviously have no idea how many.

Didn't say I did. I'm pretty sure 'some' is true.

In any case, you can enlighten us: how many?

Teachers' unions keep their sheep in tow.

I'm not a teacher. I'm a manager in a communications firm.

Now please learn how to spell words you select to write.

Hopefully, you're not that upset about typos? Isn't a proper discussion supposed to be about the facts of the situation, rather than the participants?

 

[JonathanQuick]

I know rather a lot of public school teachers. I know none of them with kids in private school. I'd love to see evidence that there's any kind of trend for teachers to do so. I suspect there is not.

"25% of public school teachers in Washington and Baltimore send their children to private schools." -

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/22/20040922-122847-5968r/

Can't you teachers do ANY of your own homework?

Pathetic.

Grade "F" for all of you.

 

[excaza]

Teacher's Union Talking Point #1

Why then do thousands of public school teachers send THEIR kids to private schools, as do the Obamas?

Because they want to and can afford to.

The hypocrisy is stultifying, sickening, nauseating.

You have yet to explain how it's hypocritical. They're still supporting the public schools with the taxes they pay. Schools their kids aren't attending. How selfless of them.

 

[excaza]

Also, could you please present a solution?

Without ranting about the evil communist socialist liberals?

 

[blutoski]

How is it hypocrisy? They're not saying everyone should go to public schools. They're saying public schools need help. And they do.

Yes, it seems very consistent to me, actually.

 

[JonathanQuick]

So we agree?

No, we do not agree.

"Some" was intended to dismiss the relatively large numbers.
It was your attempt to lend support to teachers' unions and
their hypocrisy.

Hopefully, you're not that upset about typos?

Far less "upset" than Leftists were about Dan Quayle's reading of "potatoe," which had been misspelled by a teacher. Naturally teachers and other Leftists everywhere attributed the ignorance to Dan Quayle, and laughed derisively at him.

At Barack Obama, for "Cinco de quatro", not so much.
At Barack Obama, for "I've been to like 57 states," not at all.
At Barack Obama, for his claim that your "insurance premiums could decrease by 3,000 percent," never.

Leftist ignorance never seems to show up in the major liberal media.
Not ABC, not CBS, not NBC, not CNN, not the New York Times, not USA Today, not Time, not Newsweek, not PBS.

But whenever George Bush slipped up, that was published, you betcha.

A conservative gaffe is used to brand the conservative as "stupid."
A liberal gaffe is trivialized, ignored, and brushed off, just as you did your own here.

 

[blutoski]

"25% of public school teachers in Washington and Baltimore send their children to private schools." -

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/22/20040922-122847-5968r/

Can't you teachers do ANY of your own homework?

I'm not a teacher.

Pathetic.

Could we discuss the facts, rather than sling insults?

Grade "F" for all of you.

Firstly: I don't remember you stating Washington or Baltimore in your earlier claim.
This is called 'moving the goalposts'.

Secondly: I did say 'some' and did not specifiy a quantity. Why would this be a fail?

 

[excaza]

A conservative gaffe is used to brand the conservative as "stupid."
A liberal gaffe is trivialized, ignored, and brushed off, just as you did your own here.

The only one here attempting to turn this into a bipartisan debate is you with your ranting about the evil liberals.

The topic is public education. Education is not bipartisan. You expressed your problem, now present a solution.

Take your idiotic rants somewhere else.

 

[JonathanQuick]

Because they want to and can afford to.

"Share!" This is the siren song of the Left.
"Share!"

Except in giving kids a decent education, that is.

No sharing there. Only obeisance to teachers' unions.

The dropout rate in inner city public schools is horrific, not that you give a damn. The nuns do. Private schools do. And they do a far better job of educating kids. THAT is why public school teachers send THEIR kids to private schools, while demanding - demanding that others not be given vouchers.

You have yet to explain how it's hypocritical. They're still supporting the public schools with the taxes they pay. Schools their kids aren't attending. How selfless of them.

"Selfless." Yeah. How "selfless" teachers are when they say one thing and do exactly the opposite, claiming that vouchers would cripple public education.

How about teachers smoking up a storm all over the school grounds, while lecturing kids NOT to smoke...

How about teachers eating crap, being overweight, and lecturing kids to do the opposite.

Let me guess: You're a teacher, right? And you voted for Obama.
Isn't HE doing a swell job of destroying America.

 

[excaza]

The dropout rate in inner city public schools is horrific, not that you give a damn. The nuns do. Private schools do. And they do a far better job of educating kids. THAT is why public school teachers send THEIR kids to private schools, while demanding - demanding that others not be given vouchers.

No, I don't give a damn, which is why I keep saying the public school system needs help. Are you being intentionally dense?

Let me guess: You're a teacher, right?

No, and I went to private schools.

And you voted for Obama.

Irrelevant

Isn't HE doing a swell job of destroying America.

Did you make this thread to talk about education, or to rant about the evil liberals?

 

[blutoski]

No, we do not agree.

"Some" was intended to dismiss the relatively large numbers.
It was your attempt to lend support to teachers' unions and
their hypocrisy.

I'm pretty sure you can't divine my intentions.

I was replying to a post where somebody else had misunderstood your post to have meant that there was a 'trend' which is not what you wrote - I was actually defending your position.

Lesson learned.

Far less "upset" than Leftists were about Dan Quayle's reading of "potatoe," which had been misspelled by a teacher. Naturally teachers and other Leftists everywhere attributed the ignorance to Dan Quayle, and laughed derisively at him.

At Barack Obama, for "Cinco de quatro", not so much.
At Barack Obama, for "I've been to like 57 states," not at all.
At Barack Obama, for his claim that your "insurance premiums could decrease by 3,000 percent," never.

Leftist ignorance never seems to show up in the major liberal media.
Not ABC, not CBS, not NBC, not CNN, not the New York Times, not USA Today, not Time, not Newsweek, not PBS.

But whenever George Bush slipped up, that was published, you betcha.

A conservative gaffe is used to brand the conservative as "stupid."
A liberal gaffe is trivialized, ignored, and brushed off, just as you did your own here.

? I'm not one of those people you describe above. Not sure what that has to do with this discussion. Just pointing out that I'd prefer to stick to the topic. It's not clear from the above if you agree.

 

[Weak Kitten]

I thought I made some good points about the unintended consequences of switching to a private system.

Vouchers will only work if there is some sort of price control to makes certain that in every area there is a school that can be completely paid for by the voucher. Otherwise we return to my earlier point of poor families being unable to pay leading to juvenile delinquency, a rise in crime and damage to the greater economic system.

Why do you hate capitalism? Why do you want to rob this country of a cheap, educated workforce?