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A friend of mine was severely beaten by a group of police, while six cameras simultaneously malfunctioned.
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Cops kill yet another black guy for probably no reason
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A friend of mine was severely beaten by a group of police, while six cameras simultaneously malfunctioned.
Donal
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Like how some people are trying to portray the cops as trigger happy racist psychos.
None of those people were there, so why do we care about their opinions?
Ya, and Jeffrey Dahmer was quiet and respectful to his neighbors.
patchbunny
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How does a mirror knock you onto the hood? If you're going forward, you're already past the hood by the time you get to the mirror.
It doesn't say it knocked him on to the hood. It says the mirror hit him, and he ended up on the hood. If the cop was stationary as the vehicle was turning (with the officer on the inside of the turn), he could easily end up on the hood after being struck. Also, he could have been jumping backwards to avoid the mirror and ended up on the hood after being struck.
Also, as written, the two could be very separate incidents. First, the officer was hit by the mirror. He then pulled a T. J. Hooker move and jumped on the hood.
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Yeah, like explaining how this scenario is even possible, let alone likely:
How can being hit by a car's mirror result in one ending up on the hood? It's not physically possible with a car moving forward.
And the car strikes someone trying to pull someone else off a car's hood? If true, he had to have been trying to help his coworker while standing or moving in front of a moving vehicle. That's not a description of someone who had no choice but to shoot.
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I fail to see a distinction between 'knocked onto' and 'ended up on'.
Maybe in backwards twisted world.
Oh my word. What a contorted version of events one needs to imagine this bizarre scenario. He's hit by the mirror so he jumps toward the car's hood?
It's absurd!
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Fixed that straw man for you.
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I work with the police. They are for the most part, well meaning people. But I've also seen their tendency to be on a power trip. Some, but not all, cops fail to understand that respect for their authority is not some absolute condition they have a right to demand of every individual in every situation.
In some circumstances such an attitude may indeed be necessary to control a situation. But unfortunately all too many cops are under the impression everyone is required to kiss their asses anytime said cops feel like exerting their authority. When you see these caught-on-tape cops beating some poor sot, it almost always involves someone who wasn't subservient enough for the cops' liking and those cops are now out of control from not being obeyed.
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If you can point to a post where someone said cops were psychos, then you should have addressed that post. Is there even such a post here?
Yeah cop shoots somebody for no reason. But he's not a psycho. Sure.
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Bikewer
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It's fairly common in these cases for the police agency to withhold comment until the investigation is complete. Meanwhile, everyone else is free to air their opinions, valid or not.
Most departments have strict guidelines about shooting at individuals in vehicles. In most cases, a deadly threat, such as trying to run down the officer, must be reasonably supposed by the officer.
In this case, with two officers apparently struck and the vehicle headed towards a third (if the media description is at all accurate).... This might be a reasonable presumption.
Of course, the young man behind the wheel may have panicked, may have stomped the gas instead of the brake under stress, or may have been intoxicated or otherwise impaired.
No doubt this will all come out in the investigation.
We had a case here a couple of years ago where an officer stopped two individuals in a truck. He suspected the driver of DWI, and the vehicle stopped in the suspect's driveway. The officer was alone, and the truck was occupied by two individuals. He ordered the individuals from the truck, but the driver put the truck into reverse and started towards the officer.
He killed both of them.
The family claimed it was an execution... The driver and his friend were known troublemakers with long arrest records.
The court found that the officer acted properly; that he felt he was in fear of his life.
Most departments have strict guidelines about shooting at individuals in vehicles. In most cases, a deadly threat, such as trying to run down the officer, must be reasonably supposed by the officer.
In this case, with two officers apparently struck and the vehicle headed towards a third (if the media description is at all accurate).... This might be a reasonable presumption.
Of course, the young man behind the wheel may have panicked, may have stomped the gas instead of the brake under stress, or may have been intoxicated or otherwise impaired.
No doubt this will all come out in the investigation.
We had a case here a couple of years ago where an officer stopped two individuals in a truck. He suspected the driver of DWI, and the vehicle stopped in the suspect's driveway. The officer was alone, and the truck was occupied by two individuals. He ordered the individuals from the truck, but the driver put the truck into reverse and started towards the officer.
He killed both of them.
The family claimed it was an execution... The driver and his friend were known troublemakers with long arrest records.
The court found that the officer acted properly; that he felt he was in fear of his life.
LTC8K6
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Why can't JREF members wait until all the facts are in before making a conclusion?
EDIT: or at least until we've heard more than one version of events.
If anyone should know how poor a job the media often does in reporting events accurately, it should be us.
Time and time again we've seen a final story that is quite different from initial reports.
48 hour rule...which may take a lot longer...
EDIT: or at least until we've heard more than one version of events.
If anyone should know how poor a job the media often does in reporting events accurately, it should be us.
Time and time again we've seen a final story that is quite different from initial reports.
48 hour rule...which may take a lot longer...
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They could have misunderstood the situation. Regardless of what exactly happened here, it's fairly clear that there has been some confusion and misundertandings. If the police were in the middle of something and made the incorrect assessment that the driver was trying to run them over when he was not, then they had no valid reason to shoot him. This does not make them psychos, I believe, though it may make them unfit for their job.
I don't think anyone is arguing that the police officer shot the driver without believing he was a threat, purely out of criminal insanity. That would be far-fetched.
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Try being white and stepping on the gas when a cop is knocking on your window and see what happens. Not a good idea. The 2 tons of steel in your command does not suddenly nerf itself depending on race
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I'll repeat: No police officer has fired a weapon in the line of duty in the municipality in twenty years. All of the police involved in the shooting were veterans with at least five years of experience.
Given those facts, and the little else we know for certain, I find it hard to conclude that there has been a sudden attack of power madness at the Mount Pleasant Police Department.
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It appears you misunderstood me. I was talking about the thread title. I think it refers to the cops making a mistake, having no valid reason to shoot, and that this is expressed in "for no reason" (since invalid reasons are rather arbitrary).
It remains to be seen if this is the case, but once again, I do not believe the idea of a psychotic cop killing the driver because of some sort of mental illness is a position anyone is taking.