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Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

WildCat said:
I'm pretty sure that Germans composed the bulk of the barbarians in Roman times... just sayin'.

At any rate, isn't Venezuela admitting this guy isn't a danger? Does Germany let convicted violent terrorists off on day passes?


Oh yeah, I'm sure Hugo has no influence at all on what his government does... :rolleyes:
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there is "Offener Vollzug" for child molesters and rapists. I don't see what is hindering them giving terrorists day passes. Sure some experts will claim it will help them reintegrate.
 
Here's an analysis of the latest polls for Sunday's election:

What follows is a brief attempt to analyze the poll numbers regarding the National Assembly elections, coming from companies with varying degrees of bias one way or another. I've included much of the cited data below (and prior election figures can all be found on Wikipedia with links to their sources), including poll numbers and the result from the last vote in Venezuela, in 2009, along with the polls related to the National Assembly elections next Sunday, 9-26-10, so readers can also draw their own conclusions.
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My conclusion: If Greg Wilpert is right and the biggest danger for the Chavez Camp is supporters absence from the vote, and the real question is not if they keep absolute majority, but if they are able to keep the two thirds majority, i would - if i were a government-loyal rogue pollster -, underestimate the lead for my camp to get the message to my supporters that it's very important that they participate in the vote.
 
Childlike Empress said:
High voter turn out >65%, the Chavez camp won the absolute majority of seats, but failed to win a two thirds majority. Election Day in Venezuela Peaceful and without Major Problems

Third national vote since this thread came into existence. Still no tanks sent.
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They just send in the military and their vehicles to steal companies from people. Not elections.

Nice spin from some apologists about the results. Very high opposition vote percentage overall apparently.
 
I got hold of a copy of Oliver Stone's 2009 documentary "South of the Border" and just finished watching. I strongly recommend it. Good work. One time i LOL'd, that was when Chavez took the film team around the country and they were visiting some corn processing plant.

El Presidente to Oliver Stone: "Here we are building the iranian atomic bomb".

:D
 
Childlike Empress said:
Venezuela has 85 registered parties.

I'm certainly not defending everything Chavez says, the guy is loudmouthed and very emotional. But talk doesn't make him a dictator.
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I have to quibble with the use of "dictator" here. He wins, then starts nationalizing things left and right.

I submit an elected dictator is still a dictator. Many become full, textbook dictators by requesting emergency powers for this or that thing. Thank god Chavez hasn't gone that far, yet...

Oh wait, n/m.



See, democracy is not what makes a nation, including the US, great. Freedom is.
 
Folks, why do you think i bump this thread when i have something to add about Venezuela? Right, it's because this way i don't have to go round and round with the usual suspects about stuff already discussed.

What i especially liked about Stone's documentary was the focus on the ridiculous "reporting" about Venezuela in the US corporate media. He also asked Chavez directly how he feels about that. He answered that he couldn't believe it at first, but then realized that he (paraphrasing) could dress up like the pope and preach world peace the whole day, and they would still call him a tyrant. That's what brought you the "the devil was here" and "Mr. Bush you are a donkey" remarks. Why not have a little fun when you can't change the situation with diplomacy anyway?

btw, it's not a film about Venezuela, but about the independence movement in South America. Stone also interviews Lula, the Kirchners, Morales, Correa, that guy from Paraguay and Raul Castro.
 
Did Stone interview any dissenters, any critics of Chávez?

Sure, he received the Grand Tour from The Man himself, but did he go see the people on the street, and asked questions to them, without any government officials behind him to check (you know, what real documentarians do)?

Kind of reminds me of Shirley McClaine when she visited China and thought everything was so honky-dory (she too had an "official tour" of the country), while the purges and famines were going on. You can't get anymore "useful" than that. :rolleyes:
 
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Childlike, why can't you show the same amount of criticism and distrust for Chávez than you have for the US government?

You really think if you get an official tour of the country with the president himself that you'll get an objective perspective?
 
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Too embarrassed to answer?

ETA: If a filmmaker had made a documentary about America in the early 2000's, and Bush had personally given him a tour, and the only people the filmmaker saw was people sympathetic to his administration and policies, would you have been so credulous?
 
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