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Science Disproves Evolution

The statement that there's no evidence for evolution is incorrect. You have been provided all the evidence you could need. Why not simply give up your incorrect beliefs? It's obvious you are wrong? Where is the value in sticking with an idea that is incorrect?

Where is that evidence? As I have been sharing, science disproves evolution. Why not simply give up your incorrect beliefs? It's obvious you are wrong? Where is the value in sticking with an idea that is incorrect?
 
Where is that vast amount of scientific evidence for evolution?



True. God's creation is truly wonderful, isn't it?

Well, we could start with the vast amount of data in the fossil record that shows clear and obvious transitions over time. Look at the record of horses, whales and human beings. Those are particularly well represented. There's all the genetic evidence for common ancestry as well.

On the opposite side there is no evidence to support evolution yet. How is it coming with the Cambrian bunny rabbit? Got the fossil yet?
 
Where is that evidence? As I have been sharing, science disproves evolution. Why not simply give up your incorrect beliefs? It's obvious you are wrong? Where is the value in sticking with an idea that is incorrect?

Your decision to not see or reject evidence because it contradicts your fairy story has no bearing on the value of that evidence. Evolution doesn't care if you believe in it or not just as gravity is indifferent to your beliefs. Evolution simple describes what's being observed. That you don't like it is of no importance.
 
I see, so you didn't understand what you read and cannot in fact express it.

You have jumped (again) to the wrong conclusion. Why should I repeat in my own words something that is explained much better in the book available for your inspection?

Interesting. Your counter-argument to all logical and logistical objections to the Noah's Ark story is to wave your hands and proclaim, "It was all done by magic!"

When you talk about magic, you are really referring to miracles. Evolution is a reliance on magic without a magician. That's why it is easily disproved using the facts of science. The same evidence proves creation, which is admittedly also "magic." The difference is that creation is magic with a Magician.

So you have no evidence. I believe this conversation is over, if there was ever a conversation to begin with, rather than your desire to preach the gospel to the heathen. Yawn. Please go away now.

The evidence is there for those willing to set aside their erroneous preconceptions and examine the facts.
 
No, our experiments and laws are limited to the testing we apply to them.

You seem to have this idea that the universe is bound to obey any statement that we humans have labeled a law. Peculiar.

Not at all. Science has discovered that the universe and everything in it obeys certain laws of physics. Science has found no exceptions.
 
Well, there is just a ton of it.

But, let's start simply.

Emergence of antibiotic resistant bacteria is a firm demonstration that evolution through mutation and natural selection is an observable phenomenon.

Here is an excerpt from an article responding to a TV series on evolution that deals with bacteria. You can examine the whole article
here.

There are too many errors in “Evolution” to itemize here, but let’s examine what the producers clearly believe to be their strongest example: the development in bacteria of antibiotic resistance. If one wants to demonstrate evolution in action, as the producers claim, bacteria are certainly the best candidates. Some of these microbes reproduce several times an hour, producing thousands and thousands of generations within a single year. “Evolution” thus takes us into a tuberculosis-infested Russian jail, and sure enough, the little pests quickly develop resistance to each new drug the doctors introduce. Case closed.

Well, not quite.

All the producers have demonstrated is the quite unexceptional occurrence of what is called micro-evolution, the small changes within species that we see all around us. The most obvious example—one Darwin himself used—is dog breeding. The thousands of different types of dogs extant today were all created, probably from some common wild ancestor, by selective breeding.

The question is, can these relatively small changes within basic species types be extrapolated to macro-evolution—big changes in body types, such as the evolution of birds from reptiles, say, or humans from apes. The fact is, nothing of the sort has ever been observed. Darwinists counter that when dealing with large animals—even fruit flies —there simply isn’t enough time. The breeding cycles are too long. Fair enough. But what about bacteria?

With selective breeding, one should be able to produce new species within a reasonable time. Yet—and this the producers don’t tell us—it has never been done. As British bacteriologist Alan H. Linton recently remarked, despite multitudes of experiments exposing bacteria to caustic acid baths and intense radiation in order to accelerate mutations, in the “150 years of the science of bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another.”

The producers of “Evolution” unwittingly give the game away when they remark that the bacteria clearly identifiable as the same as modern TB have been found on a 6,000-year-old Egyptian mummy. Like the Galapagos finch beaks, what we seem to be seeing here is not macro-evolutionary change, but the extraordinary stability of species.

The producers repeat much the same error in a long segment on the HIV virus, which ends with doctors taking their patients off the anti-viral drugs (which appear to do more harm than good) and—voila!—the HIV returns to its original “wild-type.” Once again, we have stasis, not evolution.

On other issues, “Evolution” mostly commits sins of omission (that is, omission of any evidence contrary to the simple story of Darwin’s mechanism and “change over time” which they hammer away at endlessly). The program glosses over problems with the fossil record and sidesteps the challenge of the “Cambrian Explosion,” in which, in direct contradiction to Darwinian theory, all the major animal groups (phyla) of modern animals appeared in a geologic instant, with no plausible precursors. Searching for a more contemporary spin, the program misstates the universality of DNA as evidence of descent from a common ancestor, when important exceptions that undermine this hypothesis have been known for over 20 years. And on and on.

What is life?

Do you consider viruses or prions to be alive?

Life is the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
 
Well, not quite.

All the producers have demonstrated is the quite unexceptional occurrence of what is called micro-evolution, .

Ahh, So you are going to go with the microevolution/macroevolution argument.

What is the insurmountable step in macroevolution? What prevents, in your mind, a series of microevolutionary steps to equate a macroevolutionary one?



Life is the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
You've excluded 4 other kingdoms which are consdiered parts of life,
IN particular,
Fungi, Protozoa, bacteria, algae.

Interestingly, you also avoided my question.
Are Viruses and Prions alive?
Both have the ability to reproduce, have functional activity, adapt to change, ... But are they alive?
 
Well, we could start with the vast amount of data in the fossil record that shows clear and obvious transitions over time. Look at the record of horses, whales and human beings. Those are particularly well represented. There's all the genetic evidence for common ancestry as well.

Where have transitional fossils been found? What genetic evidence are you referring to?

Evolutionists themselves long ago abandoned horse evolution as an example of transitional forms, since they no longer believe the fossil record represents anything like a straightforward progression, but instead a bush with many varying branches. As Heribert Nilsson correctly pointed out as long ago as 1954:

“The family tree of the horse is beautiful and continuous only in the textbooks. In the reality provided by the results of research it is put together from three parts, of which only the last can be described as including horses. The forms of the first part are just as much little horses as the present day damans are horses. The construction of the horse is therefore a very artificial one, since it is put together from non-equivalent parts, and cannot therefore be a continuous transformation series” (pp. 551-552, emp. added).

In 1841, the earliest so-called “horse” fossil was discovered in clay around London. The scientist who unearthed it, Richard Owen, found a complete skull that looked like a fox's head with multiple back-teeth as in hoofed animals. He called it Hyracotherium. He saw no connection between it and the modern-day horse.

In 1874, another scientist, Kovalevsky, attempted to establish a link between this small fox-like creature, which he thought was 70 million years old, and the modern horse.

In 1879, an American fossil expert, O. C. Marsh, and famous evolutionist Thomas Huxley, collaborated for a public lecture which Huxley gave in New York. Marsh produced a schematic diagram which attempted to show the so-called development of the front and back feet, the legs, and the teeth of the various stages of the horse. He published his evolutionary diagram in the American Journal of Science in 1879, and it found its way into many other publications and textbooks. The scheme hasn't changed. It shows a beautiful gradational sequence in “the evolution” of the horse, unbroken by any abrupt changes. This is what we see in school textbooks.

The question is: “Is the scheme proposed by Huxley and Marsh true?”

The simple answer is “No”. While it is a clever arrangement of the fossils on an evolutionary assumption, even leading evolutionists such as George Gaylord Simpson backed away from it. He said it was misleading.

If it were true, you would expect to find the earliest horse fossils in the lowest rock strata. But you don't. In fact, bones of the supposed “earliest” horses have been found at or near the surface. Sometimes they are found right next to modern horse fossils!
O.C. Marsh commented on living horses with multiple toes, and said there were cases in the American Southwest where “both fore and hind feet may each have two extra digits fairly developed, and all of nearly equal size, thus corresponding to the feet of the extinct Protohippus”. 
In National Geographic (January 1981, p. 74), there is a picture of the foot of a so-called early horse, Pliohippus, and one of the modern Equus that were found at the same volcanic site in Nebraska. The writer says: “Dozens of hoofed species lived on the American plains.” Doesn't this suggest two different species, rather than the evolutionary progression of one?

There is no one site in the world where the evolutionary succession of the horse can be seen. Rather, the fossil fragments have been gathered from several continents on the assumption of evolutionary progress, and then used to support the assumption. This is circular reasoning, and does not qualify as objective science.

The theory of horse evolution has very serious genetic problems to overcome. How do we explain the variations in the numbers of ribs and lumbar vertebrae within the imagined evolutionary progression? For example, the number of ribs in the supposedly “intermediate” stages of the horse varies from 15 to 19 and then finally settles at 18. The number of lumbar vertebrae also allegedly swings from six to eight and then returns to six again.

Finally, when evolutionists assume that the horse has grown progressively in size over millions of years, what they forget is that modern horses vary enormously in size. The largest horse today is the Clydesdale; the smallest is the Fallabella, which stands at 17 inches (43 centimeters) tall. Both are members of the same species, and neither has evolved from the other.

Why do science textbooks continue to use the horse as a prime example of evolution, when the whole schema is demonstrably false? Why do they continue to teach our kids something that is not scientific? Dr. Niles Eldredge, curator of the American Museum of Natural History, has said:

“I admit that an awful lot of that (imaginary stories) has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs (in the American Museum) is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable …”.

The horse series is often presented as proof of evolution. The number of toes in foreleg and hind leg supposedly decreased as the horse evolved, and the size supposedly increased from a small doglike horse to a large modern horse. Yet three-toed horses have been found with one-toed horses, showing they lived at the same time. And there are tiny living Fallabella horses only 17 inches ( 43 centimeters) tall.

REFERENCES

O. C. Marsh, “Recent Polydactyle Horses”, American Journal of Science 43, 1892, pp. 339-354 - as quoted in Creation Research Society Quarterly correspondence, Vol. 30, December 1993, p. 125.

Niles Eldredge, as quoted in: Luther D. Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, fourth edition (revised and expanded), Master Book Publishers, Santee (California),1988, p. 78.

http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c016.html

On the opposite side there is no evidence to support evolution yet. How is it coming with the Cambrian bunny rabbit? Got the fossil yet?

I am glad to see you admit there is no evidence supporting evolution.
 
due to the nature of evolution, EVERY FOSSIL IS A TRANSITIONAL FOSSIL.

I linked Pahu to a list of hundreds of example transitional fossils
here they are again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
theres also this famous graphic
fossil-hominid-skulls-1.jpg

last time I posted this Pahu completely ignored it
he ignored it because like 154 he is a bigoted fundamentalist who wouldn't know real science if it kicked him in the nads
his understanding of the world around him therefore has more in common with skull A than it does skull N
and thats the truth
:D
 
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Ahh, So you are going to go with the microevolution/macroevolution argument.

What is the insurmountable step in macroevolution? What prevents, in your mind, a series of microevolutionary steps to equate a macroevolutionary one?

Before considering how life began, we must first understand the term “organic evolution.” Organic evolution, as theorized, is a naturally occurring, beneficial change that produces increasing and inheritable complexity. Increased complexity would be shown if the offspring of one form of life had a different and improved set of vital organs. This is sometimes called the molecules-to-man theory—or macroevolution. [See Figure 4 on page 6.] Microevolution, on the other hand, does not involve increasing complexity. It involves changes only in size, shape, or color, or minor genetic alterations caused by a few mutations. Macroevolution requires thousands of “just right” mutations. Microevolution can be thought of as “horizontal” (or even downward) change, whereas macroevolution, if it were ever observed, would involve an “upward,” beneficial change in complexity. Notice that microevolution plus time will not produce macroevolution. (micro + time ≠ macro)

Creationists and evolutionists agree that microevolution (and natural selection) occur. Minor change has been observed since history began. But notice how often evolutionists give evidence for microevolution to support macroevolution. It is macroevolution—which requires new abilities and increasing complexity, resulting from new genetic information—that is at the center of the creation-evolution controversy. Therefore, in this book, the term “organic evolution” will mean macroevolution. [From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/LifeSciences2.html#wp2752687]

You've excluded 4 other kingdoms which are consdiered parts of life,
IN particular,
Fungi, Protozoa, bacteria, algae.

Interestingly, you also avoided my question.
Are Viruses and Prions alive?
Both have the ability to reproduce, have functional activity, adapt to change, ... But are they alive?

I would think that anything that has the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death would be considered alive. What is your problem with that?
 
Without evidence of transition!
look at the evidence
pretending it doesn't exist just makes you a hopeless Troll
and everyone here knows it
youre not teaching anyone here anything, youre just being toyed with, your brand of denying the facts that God has given you eyes to look at is driving people away from God, not pulling them towards his love
:p
 
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