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Science Disproves Evolution

I linked Pahu to a list of hundreds of example transitional fossils
here they are again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
theres also this famous graphic
[qimg]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/belmarduk/fossil-hominid-skulls-1.jpg[/qimg]
last time I posted this Pahu completely ignored it
he ignored it because like 154 he is a bigoted fundamentalist who wouldn't know real science if it kicked him in the nads
his understanding of the world around him therefore has more in common with skull A than it does skull N
and thats the truth
:D

That is an interesting collection of skulls, but where is there any evidence one changed into another?
 
Those unable to accept the facts of science that threaten their erroneous preconceptions usually resort in the final analysis to name calling, etc.

Oh the irony
are you going to adress my post on transitional fossils or not, or is it going to be more hopeless hand waving and pitiful denial
you have clearly denied science on every post you have made here, I'm starting to think you don't know what science is.....

That is an interesting collection of skulls, but where is there any evidence one changed into another?

They are chronologically dated from the present going back 4 million years
you are about to claim they were all made like that by God
yet the bible doesn't mention that does it, that previous to homo sapiens God had quite a few attempts at making people, thats not very all powerful is it, how do you explain the similarity, most of those were sentient tool users. Do you know anything about human evolution at all
and what about the two links I posted
deny deny deny pahu, its all you've got left, that you don't realise thats what you started with is just irony
:rolleyes:
 
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Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed.

Exactly! But theists have no problem claiming that god created life from nonliving matter.

There is no law of biogenesis.:rolleyes:
 
Organic evolution, as theorized, is a naturally occurring, beneficial change that produces increasing and inheritable complexity. Increased complexity would be shown if the offspring of one form of life had a different and improved set of vital organs. This is sometimes called the molecules-to-man theory—or macroevolution. [See Figure 4 on page 6.] Microevolution, on the other hand, does not involve increasing complexity. It involves changes only in size, shape, or color, or minor genetic alterations caused by a few mutations. Macroevolution requires thousands of “just right” mutations. Microevolution can be thought of as “horizontal” (or even downward) change, whereas macroevolution, if it were ever observed, would involve an “upward,” beneficial change in complexity. Notice that microevolution plus time will not produce macroevolution. (micro + time ≠ macro)
Ok,
So your belief is that microevolution doesn't result in "new" information. Or a addition of new genetic code.

Well then, you should be happy to know that such evidence does exist.

Nylonase is an example of a completely new gene emerging that did not previously exist (new information).

But to go one step further we have knowledge of multiple ways in which new information is developed genetically.
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/origins-of-new-genes-and-pseudogenes-835
http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v4/n11/full/nrg1204.html





I would think that anything that has the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death would be considered alive. What is your problem with that?
Well the problem is a prion is a single protein. Nothing more, nothing less.
You have defined a protein (a single protein) to be effectively alive.
 
Not at all. Science has discovered that the universe and everything in it obeys certain laws of physics. Science has found no exceptions.
Huh? First you answer my question with "not at all" and then immediately confuse the issue by saying that science has discovered that the universe and everything in it obeys certain laws of physics. So it sounds like you do think the universe obeys our laws. And we have found exceptions to our "laws" found by science. That's how we've learned to correct them over the years.
 
Pahu, why have you not retracted the obvious lies that was shown you quoted? You go away for a few days and think that all is forgotten? If you want to maintain any sort of credibility, retract the lies you quoted. Thanks.
 
Pahu, why have you not retracted the obvious lies that was shown you quoted? You go away for a few days and think that all is forgotten? If you want to maintain any sort of credibility, retract the lies you quoted. Thanks.
Credibility ?
ahahahahahahahahahahah
:D
 
What evidence proves evolution to be true?



Pasteur demonstrated that all life comes from pre-existing life of the same kind and never comes from non-living matter. Doesn't that also apply to an alleged lifeless earth?

Pasteur did no such thing.
:)
 
The only controversy about evolution is among various denominations of fundamentalists. There is however thorough consensus among biologists (the experts on the subject). Evolution has been a "story" so successful at explaining stuff since its inception, including discoveries in post Darwin fields such as genetics, that it may be regarded as a fact. Divine fiat is a dead paradigm among experts because it fails in explanatory power.

The YEC arguments that you repeat here are simply based on ignorance. Most of them are just attempts to create sufficient doubt among people without the time or inclination to investigate the evidence for evolution. There is perhaps a real psychological difficulty in getting over the hump that we might share common ancestry with today's amoebas and apes. Its hard to imagine the gradual change over time involved.

I think though that its much easier to see what is going on by examining the way these same fundamentalists argue against an old earth. The same tactic of raising undue doubts about solid scientific evidence can be seen more clearly to a greater number of people with less education in science. Even a cursory examination of that subject shows that the world is indeed much older than they argue. That they are ideologically driven and have scant regard for the truth can be easily seen.
 
Where have transitional fossils been found? What genetic evidence are you referring to?

Evolutionists themselves long ago abandoned horse evolution as an example of transitional forms, since they no longer believe the fossil record represents anything like a straightforward progression, but instead a bush with many varying branches.

This is another lie. Scientists still use horse evolution as an example of transitional forms, and they never believed the fossil record represented anything like a straightforward progression, but instead a bush with many varying branches. The straightforward progression was a simplified explanation for grade school students.
 
Where have transitional fossils been found? What genetic evidence are you referring to?

Evolutionists themselves long ago abandoned horse evolution as an example of transitional forms, since they no longer believe the fossil record represents anything like a straightforward progression, but instead a bush with many varying branches. As Heribert Nilsson correctly pointed out as long ago as 1954:

“The family tree of the horse is beautiful and continuous only in the textbooks. In the reality provided by the results of research it is put together from three parts, of which only the last can be described as including horses. The forms of the first part are just as much little horses as the present day damans are horses. The construction of the horse is therefore a very artificial one, since it is put together from non-equivalent parts, and cannot therefore be a continuous transformation series” (pp. 551-552, emp. added).

In 1841, the earliest so-called “horse” fossil was discovered in clay around London. The scientist who unearthed it, Richard Owen, found a complete skull that looked like a fox's head with multiple back-teeth as in hoofed animals. He called it Hyracotherium. He saw no connection between it and the modern-day horse.

In 1874, another scientist, Kovalevsky, attempted to establish a link between this small fox-like creature, which he thought was 70 million years old, and the modern horse.

In 1879, an American fossil expert, O. C. Marsh, and famous evolutionist Thomas Huxley, collaborated for a public lecture which Huxley gave in New York. Marsh produced a schematic diagram which attempted to show the so-called development of the front and back feet, the legs, and the teeth of the various stages of the horse. He published his evolutionary diagram in the American Journal of Science in 1879, and it found its way into many other publications and textbooks. The scheme hasn't changed. It shows a beautiful gradational sequence in “the evolution” of the horse, unbroken by any abrupt changes. This is what we see in school textbooks.

The question is: “Is the scheme proposed by Huxley and Marsh true?”

The simple answer is “No”. While it is a clever arrangement of the fossils on an evolutionary assumption, even leading evolutionists such as George Gaylord Simpson backed away from it. He said it was misleading.

If it were true, you would expect to find the earliest horse fossils in the lowest rock strata. But you don't. In fact, bones of the supposed “earliest” horses have been found at or near the surface. Sometimes they are found right next to modern horse fossils!
O.C. Marsh commented on living horses with multiple toes, and said there were cases in the American Southwest where “both fore and hind feet may each have two extra digits fairly developed, and all of nearly equal size, thus corresponding to the feet of the extinct Protohippus”. 
In National Geographic (January 1981, p. 74), there is a picture of the foot of a so-called early horse, Pliohippus, and one of the modern Equus that were found at the same volcanic site in Nebraska. The writer says: “Dozens of hoofed species lived on the American plains.” Doesn't this suggest two different species, rather than the evolutionary progression of one?

There is no one site in the world where the evolutionary succession of the horse can be seen. Rather, the fossil fragments have been gathered from several continents on the assumption of evolutionary progress, and then used to support the assumption. This is circular reasoning, and does not qualify as objective science.

The theory of horse evolution has very serious genetic problems to overcome. How do we explain the variations in the numbers of ribs and lumbar vertebrae within the imagined evolutionary progression? For example, the number of ribs in the supposedly “intermediate” stages of the horse varies from 15 to 19 and then finally settles at 18. The number of lumbar vertebrae also allegedly swings from six to eight and then returns to six again.

Finally, when evolutionists assume that the horse has grown progressively in size over millions of years, what they forget is that modern horses vary enormously in size. The largest horse today is the Clydesdale; the smallest is the Fallabella, which stands at 17 inches (43 centimeters) tall. Both are members of the same species, and neither has evolved from the other.

Why do science textbooks continue to use the horse as a prime example of evolution, when the whole schema is demonstrably false? Why do they continue to teach our kids something that is not scientific? Dr. Niles Eldredge, curator of the American Museum of Natural History, has said:

“I admit that an awful lot of that (imaginary stories) has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs (in the American Museum) is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable …”.

The horse series is often presented as proof of evolution. The number of toes in foreleg and hind leg supposedly decreased as the horse evolved, and the size supposedly increased from a small doglike horse to a large modern horse. Yet three-toed horses have been found with one-toed horses, showing they lived at the same time. And there are tiny living Fallabella horses only 17 inches ( 43 centimeters) tall.

REFERENCES

O. C. Marsh, “Recent Polydactyle Horses”, American Journal of Science 43, 1892, pp. 339-354 - as quoted in Creation Research Society Quarterly correspondence, Vol. 30, December 1993, p. 125.

Niles Eldredge, as quoted in: Luther D. Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, fourth edition (revised and expanded), Master Book Publishers, Santee (California),1988, p. 78.

http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c016.html



I am glad to see you admit there is no evidence supporting evolution.

That's nice. Seen a lot of whales with ankles out there?
 
Pahu, you really fail to grasp the crux of your problem. If you are right there should be Cambrian and pre Cambrian runny rabbits. Can you produce any? Can you find any modern Cambrian animals? Just one will do.
 
Pasteur demonstrated that all life comes from pre-existing life of the same kind and never comes from non-living matter.
Pasteur was putting the last nail in the coffin of spontaneous generation. His work had nothing to do with the modern science of abiogenesis.

Doesn't that also apply to an alleged lifeless earth?
No. The principals are not the same. Modern investigations into abiogenesis deal with the organic chemistry underlying the formation of the first simple self replicating polymers that would eventually lead to what we think of as life. As Joobz has pointed out, defining life is not a simple, clear-cut matter.
 

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