Open Letter to Dave Thomas

[Newtons Bit]

But Larry said: "Maybe the best thing to do is just pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

How did he know the building was about to collapse? How was he able to "order" the evacuation just in time to save those firefighters' lives?

And more stupidly, why would Larry Silverstein have any say whatsoever in whether to pull firefighters or not?

They could visibly see and measure the building leaning.

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

 

[ergo]

He had no authority to order any evacuation, even in his own building. But he was consulted, or informed, by FDNY - considering the utter mayhem that day, I'd say FDNY was very professional in even taking the time to discuss it on the phone.

Do you realize the more convoluted your arguments get, the more bending over backwards you have to do and finding the 1% "possibility" that somehow always ends up being the only possibility, the further from the more likely truth you are getting? That's Occam's razor. I don't think bedunkers are familiar with it.

 

[BigAl]

How does the term "pull it," and its context: "And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse..." refer to "evacuat[ing] the site around the building" ?

36 firemen at WTC7 use "pull" to mean withdraw.

You can confirm that for yourself by finding their names in the spreadsheet linked to below and then finding the full text transcript via the second link and then reading them.


Summary spreadsheet names & statements: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNGds_AjhkwP4V4RW9zTNH4GK3QezQ&cad=rja
Full text transcripts for those names: http://graphics8.nytimes.compackage...812_WTC_GRAPHICmet_WTC_histories_full_01.html

 

[ergo]

They could visibly see and measure the building leaning.

Amazing that he was able to say "pull it" and then they pulled it, and down came the building.

 

[BigAl]

Amazing that he was able to say "pull it" and then they pulled it, and down came the building.

36 firemen at WTC7 use "pull" to mean withdraw.

You can confirm that for yourself by finding their names in the spreadsheet linked to below and then finding the full text transcripts via the second link and then reading them.


Summary spreadsheet names & statements: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNGds_AjhkwP4V4RW9zTNH4GK3QezQ&cad=rja
Full text transcripts for those names: http://graphics8.nytimes.compackage...812_WTC_GRAPHICmet_WTC_histories_full_01.html

 

[triforcharity]

Building 7 had been evacuated already, so there would have been no search and rescue going on by that time. How does the phrase "pull it" refer to "securing the scene, scene survey, structural observation, fire progression"?

Firefighters must be near the building to do their jobs. They do not have ESP.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Amazing that he was able to say "pull it" and then they pulled it, and down came the building.

Yea, those firefighters must have been on steroids to pull that building down. Do you have any idea how much that thing must have weighed?

 

[ergo]

His statement is mostly correct. One can plot the yield strength of steel vs. temperature of that steel.

But temperature is not a type of energy, as you have posted. Nor is it specifically a measurement of thermal energy in a body. If you want to know what the thermal energy in a body is you need to know the mass of the body, the specific heat of the material as well as the temperature. Temperature alone can only be used for qualitative statements, such as "this piece of steel is hotter than that piece of copper". It cannot be used, in itself, to quantitatively judge which piece has more thermal energy.

I know temperature is not a type of energy. Does ozeco know that?

And what relevance does this have to the WTC7 invisi-fires? Perhaps Big Al should answer that one, since he's the one that started us down this silly, irrelevant sidepath.

 

[DGM]

And I thought it was well know that right before a building is about to collapse the FF's all stand around and play with themselves. Silverstein was just confirming the order to begin.





Makes as much sense as ergo's BS.

 

[ergo]

Yea, those firefighters must have been on steroids to pull that building down. Do you have any idea how much that thing must have weighed?

Yet, to you, "pull it" means "evacuate the area". I don't know how or where you would get this meaning from.

I don't think you can pull down tall buildings, can you? You need charges for that. Why would it be impossible for the WTC7 to be pre-rigged for destruction as part of its design plan, given the agencies it housed and the sensitive material it contained therein?

 

[beachnut]

But Larry said: "Maybe the best thing to do is just pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

How did he know the building was about to collapse? How was he able to "order" the evacuation just in time to save those firefighters' lives?

And more stupidly, why would Larry Silverstein have any say whatsoever in whether to pull firefighters or not?

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html Read more and make up your own mind.

You are allowed to believe moronic delusions of CD, who cares if you want to remain in ignorance? I am working on a new speaker, and your CD delusion will not make a dent in my design, or will your delusions make a difference in the world. Your CD delusion is based on ignorance, lies and hearsay. You can't use your delusion to make any point other than prove you don't know much about science,or 911. Larry's statement is a composite of what he believes happened on 911, and he is making the statement MONTHS after 911 and you are gullible and fall for the lies of 911 truth. If you like the idiotic delusions run with it, it is self-critiquing.

Larry can't decide what the fire department does! Larry is not part of the decision, Larry is actually telling us what happen. They told Larry what they were going to do. They pulled firefighting efforts, and all parents of 911 truthers need to pull the funding for higher education, it will fail.

In a fire, the fire department owns the building; not Larry. BTW, the fire department gives back the building when they are done. It does not matter what Larry said a year later! You are using an old quote and lack the comprehension skills to understand what it means. Proof, you have to ask stupid questions.

 

[BigAl]

I know temperature is not a type of energy. Does ozeco know that?

And what relevance does this have to the WTC7 invisi-fires? Perhaps Big Al should answer that one, since he's the one that started us down this silly, irrelevant sidepath.

The last time I tried, I couldn't see past the window frame of an 8th floor window from street level.

The floors of WTC7 were *********** huge and there were plenty of interior walls that obstructed vision if they did get a ladder truck, which I don't think was used at that building.

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Edited to properly mask profanity. Please see Rule 10 re: the auto-censor

 

[ergo]

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html Read more and make up your own mind.

I did. It's an extremely convoluted argument. Most likely not the real answer.

 

[ergo]

The last time I tried, I couldn't see past the window frame of an 8th floor window from street level.

The floors of WTC7 were *********** huge and there were plenty of interior walls that obstructed vision if they did get a ladder truck, which I don't think was used at that building.

Does not explain the relevance of your distinction between "heat" and "temperature", but I wasn't really expecting you to ever be able to follow that through.

Fire seeks combustibles. WTC 7 "burned", according to you, for 6 hours. Where are the fires?

 

[BigAl]

Yet, to you, "pull it" means "evacuate the area". I don't know how or where you would get this meaning from.
?

The firemen.

36 firemen at WTC7 use "pull" to mean withdraw.

You can confirm that for yourself by finding their names in the spreadsheet linked to below and then finding the full text transcript via the second link and then reading them.

Summary spreadsheet names & statements: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNGds_AjhkwP4V4RW9zTNH4GK3QezQ&cad=rja
Full text transcripts for those names: http://graphics8.nytimes.compackages/html/nyregion20050812_WTC_GRAPHICmet_WTC_histories_full_01.html

 

[alienentity]

Amazing that he was able to say "pull it" and then they pulled it, and down came the building.

You don't know what he said on 9/11. All you know is what he recalls saying later in 2002. Perhaps he worded it differently on the day.

You are chasing your own tale, trapped in semantics. Keep spinning, maybe you'll get dizzy and fall over.

 

[BigAl]

Does not explain the relevance of your distinction between "heat" and "temperature", but I wasn't really expecting you to ever be able to follow that through.

Fire seeks combustibles. WTC 7 "burned", according to you, for 6 hours. Where are the fires?

The last time I tried, I couldn't see past the window frame of an 8th floor window from street level.

The floors of WTC7 were *********** huge and there were plenty of interior walls that obstructed vision if they did get a ladder truck, which I don't think was used at that building.

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Edited to properly mask profanity. See Rule 10 re: the auto-censor.

 

[beachnut]

Do you realize the more convoluted your arguments get, the more bending over backwards you have to do and finding the 1% "possibility" that somehow always ends up being the only possibility, the further from the more likely truth you are getting? That's Occam's razor. I don't think bedunkers are familiar with it.

You have no clue what Occam's razor means or how to use it; like physics, temperature and voltage; no clue.

With your inability to comprehend what Larry meant, it is a simple deduction you are able to support moronic lies and idiotic delusion with ease.

Go ahead, use "pull it" for your smoking gun of silent explosives and have fun being all you can be, a regurgitate of lies and delusions.

 

[Mancman]

But Larry said: "Maybe the best thing to do is just pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

How did he know the building was about to collapse? How was he able to "order" the evacuation just in time to save those firefighters' lives?

And more stupidly, why would Larry Silverstein have any say whatsoever in whether to pull firefighters or not?

And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
they

Who are 'they'? The FDNY. The FDNY made the decision to pull.

 

[DGM]

I can't believe we're doing "pull it" again. Next thing you know some bird is going to chime it saying Silverstein "made out like a bandit"