How far have we come with homosexuality?

[Mirrorglass]

Type "hentai gay" in any web searching engine with safe search off and will be surprised...

The term is "yaoi", you sukebe.

 

[Darat]

What you define as "mainstream"?

Such explicit animations are free available in the Internet "mainstream" .

Type "hentai gay" in any web searching engine with safe search off and will be surprised...

So hardly what one could call "mainstream" if the default of search engines is to not display those results.

 

[SnakeTongue]

The term is "yaoi", you sukebe.

Interesting. Something I did not know.

Thank you.

Note: I am not a "dirty old man", just a "dirty man".

 

[SnakeTongue]

So hardly what one could call "mainstream" if the default of search engines is to not display those results.

Such option can be easily changed by a 5 years old child. Your point is irrelevant.

The Internet "mainstream" is open and wide for anyone today. It is more available than other media "mainstreams".

 

[Darat]

Such option can be easily changed by a 5 years old child. Your point is irrelevant.

The Internet "mainstream" is open and wide for anyone today. It is more available than other media "mainstreams".

Your definition is that if something is accessible via the internet it is "mainstream" - that is an idiosyncratic use of the word and in fact renders the word meaningless in any useful manner.

 

[SnakeTongue]

I'm happy for you. What does that have to do with what we were talking about?

The issue is not whether the under-16s should have sex - I do not advocate early sexual activity - but whether they should be criminalised for consensual behaviour. Young people should be able to enjoy sexual relationships without being penalised by the law, providing sex is consensual and both partners are mature enough to understand the implications of their actions...

Of course, let the man speak.

His first phrase:

The issue is not whether the under-16s should have sex - I do not advocate early sexual activity - but whether they should be criminalised for consensual behaviour.

Which himself contradict with the second:

Young people should be able to enjoy sexual relationships without being penalised by the law, providing sex is consensual and both partners are mature enough to understand the implications of their actions...

If he do not advocate early sexual activity in the first phrase, why he propose in the second phrase that young people SHOULD enjoy sexual relationships?

This is a twisted speech.

His "I am urging is not about adults having sex with children" do not fool me.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Your definition is that if something is accessible via the internet it is "mainstream" - that is an idiosyncratic use of the word and in fact renders the word meaningless in any useful manner.

I am in doubt. You mean that from my definition is no such thing as "mainstream Internet"?

I understand as "mainstream" any information content available to the general public in any kind of media.

 

[HansMustermann]

No, but trying to pass some kink as an inherent part of a lifestyle just because you can find something like that on an internet search is so stupid, it ought to be the new illustration of the Insane Troll Logic trope.

By the same logic you could say that screwing children or rape are an inherent part of the heterosexual agenda, because you can find hentai versions of those too.

 

[Darat]

...snip..

I understand as "mainstream" any information content available to the general public in any kind of media.

As I said your definition renders the word meaningless since in practical terms everything is accessible via the internet.

Given your definition the following statements are true:

"Paedophilia is mainstream entertainment"

"Decapitation is mainstream entertainment"

And so on - as I stated it is a definition that renders the word effectively meaningless.

 

[PhantomWolf]

How far have we come ? I am not sure. I haven't recently found animated media (games, film, cartoon) which did not portray homosexualy as anything but mockery. Once those media give up the "funny prejudice" en masse, and starts portraying the homosexual in a non charicatural way, maybe one can tell there was progress.

As far as games go, you obviously haven't played the Sims (original, 2, or 3) as all allow same sex relationships, woohoo, and unions. Also SW:KotOR has a character in it, Juhani, that is a Lesbian love interest for the main character if the player takes a female.

There are a lot of LGBT in games and not all poorly treated.

 

[PhantomWolf]

worst argument: "the bible says it is an abomination!" I believe the bible also says that about obesity, yet you don't see any psycho ministers starting "God Hates Fatties" web sites.

Don't give Phelps more idiot ideas.

 

[bikerdruid]

Who or what gave you such right to reclaim as "your word"?

Words belong to all living human beings, like you or not.

although you quoted my post, you obviously did not read it.
if we claim the word, people like you cannot use it to harm us., or insult us.

 

[PhantomWolf]

although you quoted my post, you obviously did not read it.
if we claim the word, people like you cannot use it to harm us., or insult us.

Pity we can't have the Dictionary reclaim words:

Gay - Happy, joyful
Queer - Strange, perculiar
Fag - Cigerette
Faggot - Bundle of sticks or iron rods
Pot - Clay or metal vessel for holding and cooking things
Grass - What grows in my lawns
Weed - What grows in my garden and needs yanking

etc...

 

[Darat]

Pity we can't have the Dictionary reclaim words:

Gay - Happy, joyful
Queer - Strange, perculiar
Fag - Cigerette
Faggot - Bundle of sticks or iron rods
Pot - Clay or metal vessel for holding and cooking things
Grass - What grows in my lawns
Weed - What grows in my garden and needs yanking

etc...

Faggot is still used over here but not as a bundle of sticks, it's one of the great school-kid snigger generators along with Spotted Dick, see:http://www.tesco.com/superstore/xpi/5/xpi50150805.htm

 

[commandlinegamer]

Of course, let the man speak.

His first phrase:

The issue is not whether the under-16s should have sex - I do not advocate early sexual activity - but whether they should be criminalised for consensual behaviour.

Which himself contradict with the second:

Young people should be able to enjoy sexual relationships without being penalised by the law, providing sex is consensual and both partners are mature enough to understand the implications of their actions...

If he do not advocate early sexual activity in the first phrase, why he propose in the second phrase that young people SHOULD enjoy sexual relationships?

This is a twisted speech.

Am I alone in reading his words as follows:

He does not encourage young people to have sex, but if they do so they should be able to without fear of prosecution.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Am I alone in reading his words as follows:

He does not encourage young people to have sex, but if they do so they should be able to without fear of prosecution.

No, that's how I read it, too, but since I'm an eeeevil gay I can't say anything because it'll look like I'm trying to convert young teenagers to teh ghey.

 

[Darat]

Am I alone in reading his words as follows:

He does not encourage young people to have sex, but if they do so they should be able to without fear of prosecution.

I would say your understanding represents the mainstream understanding of what his words meant.

 

[Mark6]

The key difference, of course, being that pedophiles, unlike heterosexuals and homosexuals, can't act on their attraction without victimizing another person.

Until someone build an appropriate sexbot.

 

[Mark6]

Am I alone in reading his words as follows:

He does not encourage young people to have sex, but if they do so they should be able to without fear of prosecution.

I am not so sure.

Most people who espouse this view tend to favor gradated age of consent -- say, do not prosecute two 14-year olds, or a 14 and 15 year olds, but keep 14 and 18, or 15 and 19 illegal. Google "romeo and juliet laws".

That way it is possible to discourage teenagers from having sex yet not prosecute them if they do -- and prosecute anyone older who really should know better.

Anyone who advocates downright reduction of age of consent to 14, without caveats, I consider an ideologue at the very least. Whether they are homo or hetero.

 

[SnakeTongue]

As I said your definition renders the word meaningless since in practical terms everything is accessible via the internet.

Given your definition the following statements are true:

"Paedophilia is mainstream entertainment"

"Decapitation is mainstream entertainment"

And so on - as I stated it is a definition that renders the word effectively meaningless.

Now I understand.

This confusion start with my reply to:

How far have we come ? I am not sure. I haven't recently found animated media (games, film, cartoon) which did not portray homosexualy as anything but mockery. Once those media give up the "funny prejudice" en masse, and starts portraying the homosexual in a non charicatural way, maybe one can tell there was progress.

My reply was to contest this part:

I haven't recently found animated media (games, film, cartoon) which did not portray homosexualy as anything but mockery.

My example of ready available videos of Japanese homosexual cartoons in the Internet is the evidence which proves the above allegation false.

The Internet is part of the media and offer more than just "charicatural" portraits of homosexuals.