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Hello from a non-skeptic

wareagle said:
This is what i think of as a psychic event. Or a synchoronatic event however you prefer. I was holding a book one day about debunking. I hadn't started reading it yet. A medium was imposing her belief on me that she thought "I was Cleopatra in a previous life." . At the same time I dropped the book and it fell open to a chapter on reincarnation that was entitled "YOU ARE NOT CLEOPATRA"
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Cool! Not magic, though.
 
wareagle said:
This is what i think of as a psychic event. Or a synchoronatic event however you prefer. I was holding a book one day about debunking. I hadn't started reading it yet. A medium was imposing her belief on me that she thought "I was Cleopatra in a previous life." . At the same time I dropped the book and it fell open to a chapter on reincarnation that was entitled "YOU ARE NOT CLEOPATRA"
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What book? My psychic abilities tell me that you will not be able to remember, or if you do there will be no such chapter title.
 
Well, the next phase on these boards would traditionally be "prove it". If you can show us evidence of perceptions of the kind you describe, most of us will be happy to come over to your way of thinking and learn from you.

Hash? lol. What does hash mean?

No that's a misconception that I can read your mind. I didn't give you that misconception so you've gotten that based on someone elses claims. Maybe someone else can, I've never met anyone who could but maybe there is someone out there who truly can. I have not yet met them.

I can't PM you the finnish lottery numbers I don't play it myself. I play the daily three game and win at it quite frequently. I could show you how to do that. If you were willing. But I don't feel it as anything to do with psychic, more of a mental engagement.

I'm going out for coffee

thanks for your perceptions it helps me to understand a great deal of the consternation that is experienced .


Can you do something like that? For example, if I hash a number and post the hash here, can you tell me what the number is? Can you tell me which of my grandparents are still alive? Can you PM me the winning numbers for this week's Finnish lottery?[/QUOTE]
 
wareagle said:
Well, the next phase on these boards would traditionally be "prove it". If you can show us evidence of perceptions of the kind you describe, most of us will be happy to come over to your way of thinking and learn from you.

Hash? lol. What does hash mean?

No that's a misconception that I can read your mind. I didn't give you that misconception so you've gotten that based on someone elses claims. Maybe someone else can, I've never met anyone who could but maybe there is someone out there who truly can. I have not yet met them.

I can't PM you the finnish lottery numbers I don't play it myself. I play the daily three game and win at it quite frequently. I could show you how to do that. If you were willing. But I don't feel it as anything to do with psychic, more of a mental engagement.

I'm going out for coffee

thanks for your perceptions it helps me to understand a great deal of the consternation that is experienced .


Can you do something like that? For example, if I hash a number and post the hash here, can you tell me what the number is? Can you tell me which of my grandparents are still alive? Can you PM me the winning numbers for this week's Finnish lottery?
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Well, you certainly botched this post. I tried to parse it, but gave up.
 
Some things in life are so reliable, you could test it every day and never get an unexpected result.

The sun comes up every day in a reliable fashion. If you performed a test every day to see if the sun has come up, you would always find that it does.

Psychics (just for instance) fail to read minds in a reliable fashion. If you performed a test every day to see if this still holds true, you would indeed never find anyone who can actually read minds.

Now, according to the laws of physics, it is FAR more likely that the sun will fail to come up* than that someone will turn out to have the ability to read minds.


*Although the circustances under which this would happen would render us all dead before we could test for it.
 
wareagle said:
Well, the next phase on these boards would traditionally be "prove it". If you can show us evidence of perceptions of the kind you describe, most of us will be happy to come over to your way of thinking and learn from you.

Hash? lol. What does hash mean?

No that's a misconception that I can read your mind. I didn't give you that misconception so you've gotten that based on someone elses claims. Maybe someone else can, I've never met anyone who could but maybe there is someone out there who truly can. I have not yet met them.

I can't PM you the finnish lottery numbers I don't play it myself. I play the daily three game and win at it quite frequently. I could show you how to do that. If you were willing. But I don't feel it as anything to do with psychic, more of a mental engagement.

I'm going out for coffee

thanks for your perceptions it helps me to understand a great deal of the consternation that is experienced .


Can you do something like that? For example, if I hash a number and post the hash here, can you tell me what the number is? Can you tell me which of my grandparents are still alive? Can you PM me the winning numbers for this week's Finnish lottery?
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A hash is a sort of a code that represents a certain string of data. It's impossible to construct the original data from it, but it makes it possible to confirm what the original number was.

But anyway, if you can't read minds, let's concentrate on the lottery thing. By all means, I would love to learn how to predict lottery numbers. How does one do it?
 
wareagle said:
Yes they are. If someone wants to think they are Prince Charley it doesn't affect me. If they think they can accomplish something with that, then I wish them well. What they think they can accomplish out in the public with that i have no idea. What do you think?
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What if someone wants to think they are being told by a benevolent spirit that it is time to go out and kick babies?

Whether a belief affects you or not doesn't change the simple fact that it is either true or false. Reality is separate from your perceptions.


wareagle said:
This is what i think of as a psychic event. Or a synchoronatic event however you prefer. I was holding a book one day about debunking. I hadn't started reading it yet. A medium was imposing her belief on me that she thought "I was Cleopatra in a previous life." . At the same time I dropped the book and it fell open to a chapter on reincarnation that was entitled "YOU ARE NOT CLEOPATRA"
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What a silly way to make decisions in life? I'm sure in an entire page of text you could conclude just about anything you like. The fact that on one occasion you happened to land on such a specific 'hit' is coincidence.
 
wareagle said:
No.Not magick. Just funny. A little weird but still just a funny little incident. It doesn't mean the hand of god was upon either of us.
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Yep, weird things happen all the time without violating the laws of physics. Most of them probably aren't even noticed, but they would be considered weird if they were.

The only reason we find them weird, or funny, is that we don't expect them. If we weren't here to observe it, they would still happen, but there would be no one to place some arbitrary value judgement on them. Absent that judgement, they are mundane events without any particular meaning.
 
wareagle said:
I play the daily three game and win at it quite frequently. I could show you how to do that. If you were willing. But I don't feel it as anything to do with psychic, more of a mental engagement.
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Do you think that you would win the daily three game more often than the average person who has had no 'training' and doesn't use any sort of 'mental engagement'?

If so, we can test that on this forum. I'm sure we could round up say 20 people to make lottery predictions and compare your results to theirs.

If not, then how is it anything out of the ordinary. You're just an average person with no extraordinary skills or perceptions. An average person guessing numbers.
 
No you aren't and perception has nothing to do with it. There's no such thing as a psychic.
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And you can claim this so adamantly because...?

Guys, it was not a question of my own choice to believe in what I believe, but rather the circumstances of what I came to encounter, as I did my best to share and describe in the story I wrote, which in fact was written precisely for this reason and no other. I am by no means saying to anyone here to go and buy it. I would be more than willing to share the main points and passages here if I truly felt it would make any difference. What do I expect to gain in doing so? Nothing, precisely, so why have I? What would have taken me to expose myself to being ridiculed? Nothing but the sincere intention of providing some food for thought and hopefully a little message of hope that there is much more to our existences than just what meets the eye.

I have, personally, encountered some events and phenomenae that I was not able to discard as easily as you guys seem to be prone to doing concerning any evidence that might be presented to you. As I said, for a number of years I was also skeptical of anything paranormal or spiritual myself (from around the age of 18 to the age of 30, to be a bit more precise and answer one of the many questions made to me here). It was the events I encountered that changed this, not a pre-tendency to believe in them.

In all honesty, my main purpose in coming into this forum was really just to give a little shake to your all-knowing pedestals. There is plenty of evidence around of the existence of phenomenae that is beyond our current knowledge, but rather than an unbiased analysis of such phenomenae, it has become clear to me that the vast majority here are simply pre-conceptual regarding anything of such nature, without truly maintaining the necessary detachment that it would take for experimenting and testing upon an issue of such seriousness and importance as this one.

Do we have the means and the instruments to truly verifiy such phenomenae? I would say "not yet", which by no means can be considered as proof of their non-existence...
 
wareagle said:
What happened to the commonality of thought that someone insisted on?

But what you say has some substance to it. Many psychics walk around their whole life not being psychic and many psychics walk around never knowing they are psychic because a bizarre fable has been created as a standard for psychism.

Why does the scientific community run around hounding fake psychics and then wonder why no one is impressed that they uncovered a fake psychic. The scientific community bases its standards of what psychic is based on the fables and premises of fake psychics ... I find that equally peculiar.
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Sorry, I was sleeping. Here's my understanding of the words I asked you to define, even paradigm, which you skipped:

Consciousness: The quality or state of being aware

Paradigm: example, pattern; especially : an outstandingly clear or typical example or archetype

Ego: the self especially as contrasted with another self or the world

Spiritual: of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : incorporeal <spiritual needs>

Belief: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing

Psyche: a : soul, personality b : mind

So, as you can see, we're really not talking about anything close to the same things when we use these words. Nobody can understand what you're saying when you use words in ways that are outside of the common, expected definition. Sometimes people like to throw out a bunch of flowery words in order to sound smart, such as "form a commonality of experience so we can communicate in a synergistic framework" when really, to be clear, concise, and understood, they should be saying, "I can't understand what you're saying, so could you speak more clearly."

A lot of gurus, psychics, and other "spiritual leaders" are very fond of using flowery words, because then their followers only understand each other: there's no commonality of experience outside of the group, so "nobody understands" the follower outside of the group; and naturally, the group begins to supersede the members' outside relationships. The truth is, "nobody understands" because of the way they're using these words, and most people, not wanting to seem ignorant, are afraid to ask what they mean.

If you really want to be understood, you must use the simplest, clearest words, and define the harder ones as you go in a humble sort of way. If I were to say, "James Randi is a paradigm, or a perfect example, of skeptical thought," nobody would have trouble following my meaning. If I were to say, "James Randi's psyche is a paradigm of complete skeptical consciousness," 99% of people wouldn't have a clue as to what I was rattling on about.

It's very important to create a commonality of experience, or a simple understanding of the language we're using, in order to form a synergistic framework, or a level playing field where we can understand each other rather than confuse each other. I genuinely hope this helps you communicate your ideas more clearly and completely in the future.
 
Charles Boden said:
Do we have the means and the instruments to truly verifiy such phenomenae? I would say "not yet", which by no means can be considered as proof of their non-existence...
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Phenomena is already plural - the singular is phenomenon.

First you have to verify that the 'phenomena' have no mundane, non-supernatural explanation. So far, that hasn't happened.
 
Charles Boden said:
In all honesty, my main purpose in coming into this forum was really just to give a little shake to your all-knowing pedestals.
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Ironic.

A) You are coming here to "give a little shake," so admittedly not with an open mind at all. No attempt to learn or reconsider your own beliefs.
B) Then you accuse the members here of being on pedestals.

How willing are you to have your beliefs shaken?

Charles Boden said:
There is plenty of evidence around of the existence of phenomenae that is beyond our current knowledge,
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Absolutely. I don't think you'll come across a lot of disagreement with that. That's why people work in any number of scientific research fields, trying to expand our current knowledge.
 
Charles Boden said:
I have, personally, encountered some events and phenomenae that I was not able to discard as easily as you guys seem to be prone to doing concerning any evidence that might be presented to you.
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What is this evidence that you are claiming we are discarding?


Charles Boden said:
As I said, for a number of years I was also skeptical of anything paranormal or spiritual myself (from around the age of 18 to the age of 30, to be a bit more precise and answer one of the many questions made to me here). It was the events I encountered that changed this, not a pre-tendency to believe in them.
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Weren't you convinced as a child that you had visions of an earlier life, and weren't you "informed" during a ouija session when you were 15 that you had been Prince Charles Edward Stewart? Or are you saying that despite all this you were skeptical of anything paranormal or spiritual?

Didn't you write the following?

As you know, practically since childhood I have lived under the strong impression and assumption that I once was whom I have shared with you as having been... This has held the strongest of grips upon me ever since I can remember. I have also carried with me, almost throughout my entire lifetime, a craving desire to somehow put right what in previous times I may have done wrong.
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