Gang stalking paranoia

[Toke]

It looks like you have explained both the gang stalking logistics and the conspiracy that keeps weed illegal.

ETA:
I take for granted that your plan include multiple layers of stalkers to stalk each others and ensure that all show up for their stalking duties.

 

[Ladewig]

Playing along with the scenario: If this sort of methodology were used, you mean to tell me that out of the tens of thousands (or more) drug possession arrests that happen every year, every single person has went along with this and no one at any time silently recorded the conversation, even though we have cases all the time of police interaction where a party silently recorded the entire event.

I think if I were a powerful member of the shadow government I could have the person searched and make the offer in such a way as to not be recorded. Furthermore, the person sent to make contact would not have any traceable connection to the Department of Gaslighting and Emotional Abuse.

Of course, this also still leaves unresolved as to why the government would engage in such tactics and go to such lengths to gang stalk people. If the goal is to keep them silent on something, killing them would be cheaper and you'd be less likely to be caught.

OK, you have revealed the crazy part of the whole scheme. I just wanted to point out that it could be done if the government were run by passive-aggressive sociopaths.

It looks like you have explained both the gang stalking logistics and the conspiracy that keeps weed illegal.

Yes. I like the way you think. You're hired.

ETA:
I take for granted that your plan include multiple layers of stalkers to stalk each others and ensure that all show up for their stalking duties.

Of course! You can't just tell potheads to do something and expect it to get done. You have to stalk the stalkers, too. And stalk the stalkers stalking the stalkers. And stalk....

OK, I see the flaw in my plan.

 

[Sledge]

Has anyone ever put forward a reasonable explanation as to why the government would engage in this activity?

 

[Hans]

They are incredibllllyyyyy evil?

 

[AaronAgassi]

From the article. I think this has very interesting implications about religion.

Sigmund Freud, the founder of Psychoanalysis, classified religion under “obsessional neurosis,” suggesting that a belief in a God was the result of an “immature infantile helplessness” to then seek comfort in the fantasy of an omnipotent protector.

 

[AaronAgassi]

The interplay of reality and delusion

The leading cause for feelings of persecution remains actual persecution. To begin with there is such widespread denial regarding bullying generally. People will tend to believe you if you tell them you've been robbed in the street, but often become the more credulous regarding accounts of mean spirited and devious harassment. Another manifestation of denial about gang stalking specifically, employs paranoid crank conspiracy theory. Much as pseudoscientific cranks deny that the Pyramids, for example, could ever have been constructed without the technology of ancient extraterrestrial astronauts, likewise the conspiracy theorists deny that gang stalking is possible without direct supervision from vast powers, cabals and shadow government, even though in reality, it's not really all that complicated or resource intensive: Just for example, any violent sociopath can call upon their sociopathic buddies for menacing surveillance in order to keep tabs upon and intimidate a terrified battered spouse. Any bullies can slink about and follow their target around the school yard, whispering malicious gossip and exerting exclusionary peer pressure right there behind the target's back. Soon the abuse escalates. And exactly such extremely damaging covert relational hostility propagates unchecked throughout every walk of life. But the delusional conspiracy theory accomplishes two things for the believer: Whereas constant harassment and social isolation understandably bring about feelings of helpless inadequacy, the imaginary drama of enmity with vast unseen powers promotes a sense of personal significance. Also, precisely by conjuring such an overwhelming and intangible enemy, conspiracy theory promotes passive inaction and relieves the stress of the difficult and frustrated responsibility to active resistance, but only deepening anxiety and depression in the long run.

Worse, paranoid crank conspiracy theory no matter how fantastical, has also always been a handy propaganda platform for hate speech such as even to inspire organized gang stalking, cause stalking, in the first place, if not pogrom outright. Conspiracy begins close to home. Bullies and thugs cooperate and network most readily and capably in isolating and victimizing targeted individuals. Organized gang stalking remains, after all, a pervasive behavior socially, a mode of bullying and abuse of power relationships that is so often one way or another community based and a feature of rising fascism.

Know more at at the CliqueBusters webpage

 

[carlitos]

And exactly such extremely damaging covert relational hostility propagates unchecked throughout every walk of life.

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Bullies and thugs cooperate and network most readily and capably in isolating and victimizing targeted individuals.

Could you please present some evidence for these assertions?

 

[mob123]

Actually, I recently purchased a voice recorder disguised as a watch, and took that to the office. So, I now have concrete evidence of this behavior by others. Note: that I said I "sometimes" follow the person to their cube - that could mean ONE time.

 

[mob123]

Words change their meanings over time. Calling someone gay rarely has anything to do with them being homosexual, any more than it is calling them happy or lacking restraint. In that context, "gay" simply means something along the lines of "the opposite of cool". In case you have trouble understanding that, "coo"l in that context does not refer to temperature.

What children calling each other gay has to do with your claims of gang stalking I have absolutely no idea.



Do you ride a Harley-Davidson?



So, you have a whole notebook full of records of your own stalking, but no evidence that anyone has ever stalked you. In fact, your own words clearly state that no-one has ever stalked you. Stalking involves repeated actions by an individual, by definition. Since that has not happened to you, you have not been stalked. End of story.

Actually, I recently purchased a voice recorder disguised as a wrist watch, and wore it at the office. And, now I have concrete evidence of the behavior of others. Also, note that I said that I "sometimes" follow the perpetrator back to their cube: that could mean ONE time.

 

[Skepdan]

It really depends on what people mean by "gangstalking" as to whether it's plausible or not.

Some are using the term to describe bullying and intimidation in the workplace (or school, college etc) involving a couple of people, but others are making extravagant claims involving the government, the police, mind control, the Illuminati and god-knows-what else.

We already have words like "harassment" and "bullying" to describe some of this behaviour, so to me the specific use of "gangstalking" usually implies something on a grander scale, involving the government, the police and so on.

 

[Greedo]

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No, that's bullying. I think you a wrong idea what stalking means.
From the OED: "stalk... v. pursue stealthily; follow and harass..."

Actually, I recently purchased a voice recorder disguised as a watch, and took that to the office. So, I now have concrete evidence of this behavior by others.

So, you bought a disguised voice recorder and recorded people without their consent? Cool.

Note: that I said I "sometimes" follow the person to their cube - that could mean ONE time.

Actually, sometimes indicates that you do do it occasionally, meaning from time to time, meaning more than once.

What are you trying to say?

The interplay of reality and delusion
....
Know more at at the CliqueBusters webpage

What are you trying to say?
Gang stalking, in the way that the "victims" describe it, is certainly not possible.

 

[catsmate]

Actually, I recently purchased a voice recorder disguised as a watch, and took that to the office. So, I now have concrete evidence of this behavior by others. Note: that I said I "sometimes" follow the person to their cube - that could mean ONE time.

Depending on your jurisdiction that may be illegal. Even if it was legal any distribution or publication of such recordings without consent may not be.

 

[Greedo]

Depending on your jurisdiction that may be illegal. Even if it was legal any distribution or publication of such recordings without consent may not be.

Even if not illegal, it still could probably get you fired...

 

[AaronAgassi]

Could you please present some evidence for these assertions?

That bullies operate in any number of social contexts? That bullies often work together sneakily and secretively? This is what you truly doubt?

 

[AaronAgassi]

It really depends on what people mean by "gangstalking" as to whether it's plausible or not.

Some are using the term to describe bullying and intimidation in the workplace (or school, college etc) involving a couple of people, but others are making extravagant claims involving the government, the police, mind control, the Illuminati and god-knows-what else.

We already have words like "harassment" and "bullying" to describe some of this behaviour, so to me the specific use of "gangstalking" usually implies something on a grander scale, involving the government, the police and so on.

Exactly so do the paranoid crank conspiracists insist, but I for one disagree.

 

[AaronAgassi]

Depending on your jurisdiction that may be illegal. Even if it was legal any distribution or publication of such recordings without consent may not be.

Spying with a hidden bug invading another's privacy is one thing, but electronically recording one's own experiences, already transcribed onto ones own brain in memory, can be no more illegal than simply taking notes! What is of more real and legitimate concern, is that for purposes of admissibility in court, in a public location such as a restaurant, there is less legitimate expectation of privacy than in, say, a private home. Hence stings on braggart bullies are increasingly precedented.

 

[AaronAgassi]

Even if not illegal, it still could probably get you fired...

Before getting fired, always consult your attorney in best preparation for the most profitable wrongful firing suit. Getting evidence is arguably part of pursuing grievance procedures. And getting fired for taking appropriate action in pursuit of grievance, is retaliation, and retaliation is worth triple damages!

 

[Toke]

Before getting fired, always consult your attorney in best preparation for the most profitable wrongful firing suit. Getting evidence is arguably part of pursuing grievance procedures. And getting fired for taking appropriate action in pursuit of grievance, is retaliation, and retaliation is worth triple damages!

So if you get fired for following your colleges around with a tape recorder, you will have the recordings to prove it?

How often do people get notified in advance of being fired?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Tactic #1, going into people's homes on a regular basis and moving objects around or making small changes over time - that is known as Gaslighting. See the Wikipedia entry on that. It is a highly effective tactic for undermining a person's memory, and sanity. How many times have you said to yourself, "I know I put this somewhere, where is it?" Now imagine this sort of event occurs several times a week, or even multiple times a day.

Interesting -- I've heard of ghosts being blamed for this countless times, but someone gaining entry into your house without you noticing to physically move your stuff around, or steal your belongings, borrower-style? That's a new one.

Kinda like how in the old days people believed that you could be kidnapped by supernatural beings like trolls or elves, while today we believe the same thing, only now it's extraterrestrials in futuristic spaceships.

 

[catsmate]

Spying with a hidden bug invading another's privacy is one thing, but electronically recording one's own experiences, already transcribed onto ones own brain in memory, can be no more illegal than simply taking notes! What is of more real and legitimate concern, is that for purposes of admissibility in court, in a public location such as a restaurant, there is less legitimate expectation of privacy than in, say, a private home. Hence stings on braggart bullies are increasingly precedented.

You are wrong. Depending on the jurisdiction recording a conversation without the informed consent, in advance, of all participants may be illegal.
Some USAian examples.

For example: Wisconsin

If the person who records the wire, electronic, or oral communication is a party to the conversation or has obtained prior consent from one party, he may lawfully record and divulge the contents of the communication, unless he does so for the purpose of committing a criminal or tortious act.

(Wis. Stat. § 968.31.)
Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,”

(Wis. Stat. § 968.27.)

So if you are a participant you can record a conversation. Whereas in Illinois:

In Illinois, an eavesdropping device cannot be used to record or overhear a conversation without the consent of all parties to the conversation. 720 Ill. Compiled Stat. Ann. 5/14-1, -2. An eavesdropping device is defined as anything used to hear or record a conversation, even if the conversation is conducted in person.

There you'd need consent from all participants. Likewise in Pennsylvania.
In addition the rules on divulging any such recording to others varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

I suggest you obtain some like advice rather than relying on your own judgement.