Merged Discussion of femr's video data analysis

femr2:
I was wondering, why have you not focused any energy on the face of WTC7? I know you've spent countless hours trying to determine how the top fell but wouldn't it more more productive to analyze and detect distortions on the face itself. I know videos show kinks and broken windows and such. Wouldn't this be a good way to determine how the collapse progressed?
 
DGM said:
femr2:
I was wondering, why have you not focused any energy on the face of WTC7? I know you've spent countless hours trying to determine how the top fell but wouldn't it more more productive to analyze and detect distortions on the face itself. I know videos show kinks and broken windows and such. Wouldn't this be a good way to determine how the collapse progressed?
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I have data for all manner of points of the facade. Have been holding off posting too much data, as the primary purpose here was Tom querying whether it was possible to achieve suggested accuracy. Think that's been sorted now.

The existing cam#3 data provided have numerous points...

NW Corner
NE Corner windows
All four corners of the louvre
East and West corners of the East Penthouse
Static points

http://femr2.ucoz.com/load/trace_data_nist_camera_3_raw/1-1-0-28

The new cam#3 data will most likely be done as a *grid* over the entire surface, with the intention to then solve for 3D motion. The video used spans several minutes, and allows earliest moments of motion to be included.
 
Just a nitpick (for clarity, not gotcha purposes):

femr2 said:
All four corners of the louvre
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I don't think any museums in Paris collapsed on 9/11, so can I assume you referring to a louver, or slatted ventilation opening?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Myriad said:
Can I assume you referring to a louver, or slatted ventilation opening?
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I think it's probably a fairly safe assumption Myriad. The four corners of the big black rectangle near the top (roofline) of the building...
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Patriots4Truth said:
femr, do you have a conclusion for your analyses in this thread?
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He has no goal, so there can be no conclusions. No purpose, no goal, no conclusions. Like pilots for truth, he offers no theory. maybe

He is trying to back in CD, the moronic 911 truth delusion backed with 9 years of failure and zero evidence.
 
beachnut said:
He has no goal, so there can be no conclusions. No purpose, no goal, no conclusions. Like pilots for truth, he offers no theory. maybe

He is trying to back in CD, the moronic 911 truth delusion backed with 9 years of failure and zero evidence.
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femr has at least one goal - to analyze data. purpose and conclusions can then be drawn from his analyses

beachnut, will you ever stop being negative in every post you are addressing a truther?

9 years of failure, no theory
lisa has braces, dental plan
9 years of failure, no theory
lisa has braces, dental plan

your posts are almost entirely debunker propaganda
 
Patriots4Truth said:
femr has at least one goal - to analyze data. purpose and conclusions can then be drawn from his analyses

beachnut, will you ever stop being negative in every post you are addressing a truther?

9 years of failure, no theory
lisa has braces, dental plan
9 years of failure, no theory
lisa has braces, dental plan

your posts are almost entirely debunker propaganda
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Is lisa your wife? Lucky she has a dental plan, delusions might not be helpful for future employment.

He has a goal to back in CD, he will not let it slip, but he sees smoke puffs and dreams of CD.

Negative? You have the CD delusion, blaming some unknown bad guys as you apologize for terrorists.

... where is your evidence for your CD delusion? Where did you say? Al Gore's lock box, but his wife got it in the divorce? right
 
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Patriots4Truth said:
femr has at least one goal - to analyze data. purpose and conclusions can then be drawn from his analyses
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Yes, it's important to gradually build up a series of observations, or conclusions if you will, and not confuse such with implications of those conclusions.

For example, it's a simple process to analyse the data and state...

WTC 1, Sauret footage... There is no detectable movement prior to ~9.5s in advance of release. ~9.5s in advance of release movement of multiple building features is very clear. It was not possible to analyse the building feature movement in the few seconds prior to that point in time, to see if the transition between no detectable and easily detectable movement was gradual or rapid, as that is the time period during which camera shake is present.

As folk get used to these kind of metrics they'll be presented more rapidly.
 
An extended-length copy of the *Dan Rather* footage is in the FOIA Cumulus database, so I'll be dumping the current Dan Rather data and regenerating from the new footage.

tfk,

As you are now citing my current Dan Rather data in other threads (which I assume you now therefore endorse), I'll let you know personally when the new data is available so that you are kept up to date.
 
femr2 said:
An extended-length copy of the *Dan Rather* footage is in the FOIA Cumulus database, so I'll be dumping the current Dan Rather data and regenerating from the new footage.

tfk,

As you are now citing my current Dan Rather data in other threads (which I assume you now therefore endorse), I'll let you know personally when the new data is available so that you are kept up to date.
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I know you have them all. Do you have a link to NIST's "camera 6 & 9". I've been rereading the report and they seem to be an angle I have not seen.

Thanks
 
DGM said:
I know you have them all. Do you have a link to NIST's "camera 6 & 9". I've been rereading the report and they seem to be an angle I have not seen.

Thanks
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I've been being selective. Have a sizeable chunk of the database, but not all of it. Am way over my quota (poxy UK ISP) but will make them easier to get hold of as soon as I track them down.
 
leftysergeant said:
OOH! OOH! I lioke this one. It makes little Dickie look such an idiot, since block C is noticeably smaller than block A.

It also looks just like what we would expect to see based on Bazant.
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Is there a purpose to your post that is related to the thread ?

Or is this the video you want to me to look at based upon your theory that the cores of WTC1 and WTC2 were primarily destroyed, not by descending mass, but resonance ? :eek:

Yeah.
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In-depth and convincing argument there Lefty.
 
I remember asking you how small of a movement you could detect and if you were going to look at the whole face of WTC 7*. I've been re-reading NCSTAR 1-9 (I needed some light reading to help me sleep :)) and I came across this from 12.5.1 (page 598):

NIST

The cascading failure of floors surrounding Column 79 and the buckling of Column 79 could not be ascertained from any video graphic evidence. However, analysis of the east-west vibration of the building prior to collapse (Chapter 5 and Appendix C) revealed horizontal motion (:I: 2 in.) 6 s before the east penthouse began to move downward. The horizontal building motion started at nearly the same time as the cascading floor failures started in the LS-DYNA analysis
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Have you looked for this "vibration"?

*(Please don't take this as "I'm trying to hurry you into something you said you have not had time for")
 
DGM said:
I remember asking you how small of a movement you could detect and if you were going to look at the whole face of WTC 7*. I've been re-reading NCSTAR 1-9 (I needed some light reading to help me sleep :)) and I came across this from 12.5.1 (page 598):



Have you looked for this "vibration"?

*(Please don't take this as "I'm trying to hurry you into something you said you have not had time for")
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Of course, though you've righly put vibration in quotes. It's more a result of the twisting motion, and it pretty slow...

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That's from the old footage. The new footage allows the time to be extended. I'll grab a draft (no scaling metric applied) of it and post it in a mo.
 
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