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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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No blood on Knife of Luminol Footprints

loverofzion said:
The presence of blood and prints revealed after the use of luminol IS in itself evidence of a cleanup.

The knife was found to have Meredith's GENETIC PROFILE in a groove on the blade; it being on the blade it is a safe assumption that it was her blood.
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Patrizia Stephanoni tested the knife for blood and the test was negative, it is not safe to assume it is MK's blood. There was no blood.


She also tested the luminol footprints for blood with the same result.

"When luminol glows, investigators can pinpoint the area and then test to see if the stain does indeed consist of blood. Stefanoni claimed these stains were never tested for blood, however in July 2009, Stefanoni's notes confirmed the stains were tested with tetramethylbenzidine which is extremely sensitive for blood. All of the stains detected with luminol tested negative for blood. Patrizia Stefanoni and Manuela Comodi chose to ignore the test results during the trail."

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-01.html
 
TMB is a very sensitive test for blood

loverofzion said:
The presence of blood and prints revealed after the use of luminol IS in itself evidence of a cleanup.
The knife was found to have Meredith's GENETIC PROFILE in a groove on the blade; it being on the blade it is a safe assumption that it was her blood.
And it is your misconception that there were no other evidence linking Amanda and Meredith made by her DNA and Meredith's blood. As a matter of fact mixed samples of the 2 were found in 5 different places in the cottage.
Besides which there is just so much else that proved their guilt.

But I'm cool if you want to go on believing fairy tales about an Italian conspiracy and anti Americanism and the little angel who could do no wrong.
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loverofzion,

The knife was tested with TMB and it was negative for blood. It is extremely unlikely that a knife could be cleaned in such as way as to make it free of blood and leave DNA behind, as Dr. Johnson has said on more than one occasion. The mixed DNA is unsurprising given that Amanda lived there.
 
Withnail1969 said:
why would Rafaelle care about some piece of junk in the drawer in the flat paid for by his father? We already know he preferred to use his own knives most of the time for cooking.
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I believe this is where Kevin Lowe is supposed to swoop in and pontificate about 'argument from incredulity'. Or maybe not, since that is only a forensic flaw for certain perspectives.

Why would Sollecito not prefer to use a kitchen knife in the kitchen? I haven't seen much discussion about him using pocket knives to cook with. Or perhaps I misunderstand you. Are you suggesting that he routinely carried his own chef's knives around with him?

If memory serves, when Sollecito was concocting his own explanation for the presence of Meredith's DNA on this very knife, his claim was that it happened while he was using it for cooking. In his apartment. Are you suggesting that he only used it just that one time?
 
Withnail1969 said:
I can also tell you that I am absolutely certain that this heavily-used $3 knife was nowhere near as sharp as the expensive German knives Amanda had under her bed or possibly in the knife drawer in the murder house.
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It makes you wonder why the "investigators" ever imagined that a cheap knife taken from Raffaele's apartment was either remotely likely to be the real murder weapon, or was plausible as faked "evidence". If they'd just taken any of Amanda's box of knives they could as easily have got the spurious LCN result as they did with Raffaele's knife, with much more plausibility - so why didn't they? Since the prosecution fairy story depends on the invented feature of a clean-up, it would be very easy to include as a detail the clean-up of the supposed "murder weapon" and replacement in the original box under Amanda's bed.

We can only guess that they needed evidence against Raffaele (hence the "finding" of the knife at his flat), and it turned out to be used against Amanda instead. They are not only incompetent investigators, they are pretty amateurish as stitch-up artists as well. It just shows the gullibility both of the panel of jurors and of the whole guilter community.
 
Withnail1969 said:
why would Rafaelle care about some piece of junk in the drawer in the flat paid for by his father? We already know he preferred to use his own knives most of the time for cooking.
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Your question that we are attempting to inform you about is "do we know that Raffaele owned any sharpening equipment".

To reiterate, his Father said not only that he indeed did own more than one "pocketknife", and customarily usually *always" carried on his person the same.

From that we hope to have you possibly concede in answer to your question that he 'probably' owned at least a 39 cent stone adequate to sharpen same.

PS Check your PM for further reply

Now if you prefer to skip that question (a la Amanda testimony technique) and deflect us to another, we will make similar sincere effort to resolve the next query after the first is adequately acknowledged
 
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halides1 said:
loverofzion,

The knife was tested with TMB and it was negative for blood. It is extremely unlikely that a knife could be cleaned in such as way as to make it free of blood and leave DNA behind, as Dr. Johnson has said on more than one occasion. The mixed DNA is unsurprising given that Amanda lived there.
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It had Meredith's genetic profile on the blade.
How do you counter that?
 
loverofzion said:
He might have sharpened it even without planning on murder.

The point being none of us know its sharpness quality; we do know that it was used in the murder by its double DNA, no matter who you dig up from Idaho or Thousand Oaks to refute the evidence accepted by the court.
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It can be speculated with confidence that, given Sollecito's interest in knives and his relative affluence, if he wanted Amanda to walk around town with a knife he gave to her, he would not have picked that knife.
 
Withnail1969 said:
And in this case the cheap knife, seeing as it was Raffaele's only kitchen knife, being used every day, would therefore become blunt very quickly, seeing as it was such a cheap knife. On the other hand, with 20 different knives to choose from, Amanda Knox's flat would have plenty of potential murder weapons.

Aer you saying that Rafaelle somehow obsessively sharpened this $3 kitchen knife which came with his flat with specialist sharpening stones in the hope of a possible murder? is that seriously what you're saying?
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Excuse me - how do you know the price of this knife or how much it has cost in Euro?
Thanks!
 
moodstream said:
It can be speculated with confidence that, given Sollecito's interest in knives and his relative affluence, if he wanted Amanda to walk around town with a knife he gave to her, he would not have picked that knife.
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Welcome to the discussion moodstream, I have seen some of your posts at other places and I value your opinion.
 
Thanks Rose!!!

I hope to rise up to very high level of commentary I read here!

Back at you holding your posts in very high regard likewise.
 
RoseMontague said:
Welcome to the discussion moodstream, I have seen some of your posts at other places and I value your opinion.
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LOL, it hadn't even registered with me that that was moodstream's first post. I just thought oh, there's moodstream, whose name is so familiar s/he obviously posts here regularly... :p

(Welcome, moodstream!)
 
RoseMontague said:
Welcome to the discussion moodstream, I have seen some of your posts at other places and I value your opinion.
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Seconded...and may I add that I was also about to post the same comment about Raffaele choosing some other knife for Amanda if he had really wanted her to carry one for protection. I'm sure others have mentioned this previously in this thread and/or elsewhere too.
 
Scorpion NITE said:
But...but...you appeared adamant that it had Meredith's BLOOD on it?
Have you changed your mind then? :confused:
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If one's genetic profile is found on the blade of a knife on which the handle carries the genetic profile of the convicted murderer then we ASSUME the matter on the blade would be blood.
Are you suggesting it was toenail clippings perhaps.
 
Mrs.Columbo said:
Excuse me - how do you know the price of this knife or how much it has cost in Euro?
Thanks!
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I believe it was Frank at the Shock that had pointed this out. A very common and inexpensive knife that would be very easy to replace.

Had Raffaele bought her anything before? As a new lovers gift, pulling out that big honker of a kitchen knife out of the utensil drawer and saying take this for protection would be a little insulting.
 
loverofzion said:
If one's genetic profile is found on the blade of a knife on which the handle carries the genetic profile of the convicted murderer then we ASSUME the matter on the blade would be blood.
Are you suggesting it was toenail clippings perhaps.
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Stefanoni testified in court that it was not blood.
 
not sure about the where

quadraginta said:
If memory serves, when Sollecito was concocting his own explanation for the presence of Meredith's DNA on this very knife, his claim was that it happened while he was using it for cooking. In his apartment. Are you suggesting that he only used it just that one time?
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Raffaele's diary is more suggestive of cooking at Amanda's, which he did one one occasion at least.
 
I also think it unlikely this knife was ever carried by Amanda for protection, or for that matter, given to her by Raffaele. That's never rang true with me and I've always thought it had to have been there in the cottage already for some mundane, but at this point, unknown reason if it really was used in the murder. Reading about the stab wounds in the Massei report makes me doubt this. I accept it could possibly have been used for the largest wound but very definitely not for any of the others. The blade that made the two other stab wounds was almost unanimously described by the experts as 4cm long and around 1.4 cm wide and only 0.4 cm in thickness. This sounds like a pocket knife to me, which incidentally also doesn't match the imprint on the bed.
I should add that IMHO if the kitchen knife was used, it was grabbed from within the cottage, not carried there from raffaeles with the intention of murdering or scaring Meredith.
 
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