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2nd American Revolution coming?

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-on-the-brink-of-a-second-revolution-2010-09-28?pagenumber=1

"So thanks Tea Party, Vegas odds must favor a Second American Revolution. Actually, the revolution is already roaring, hot, it’s about time. The GOP and the Dems had more than a decade. But America’s worse off. We need a real revolution to restore sanity … or we can kiss democracy and capitalism good-bye, permanently."

um..is this guy out of his mind? or does he have some realistic predictions.

and no, this is no CT.
 
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Thunder said:
um..is this guy out of his mind? or does he have some realistic predictions.
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I say neither. He either is either talking about a symbolic revolution (with no real bloodshed) or (like many who enter into political discussions) is so filled with hyperbole that he should not be taken too seriously.
 
Revolution is sort of like Heaven. As long as you're not specific about what it supposedly entails, everyone will use their imagination to fill in the blanks and then look forward to it. Maybe if all the Teabaggers were required to read Animal Farm then they'd have second thoughts.

...or not.
 
The ignorance of these people is really baffeling. Maybe teabaggers and the Toofers should join forces to get this revolution going...morons.
 
Ladewig said:
I say neither. He either is either talking about a symbolic revolution (with no real bloodshed) or (like many who enter into political discussions) is so filled with hyperbole that he should not be taken too seriously.
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i hope so.
 
Lets say.....We literally throw the rascals out. The entire legislature, that is. By some sort of nationwide consensual recall.
Then we replace the bunch of them with dedicated civil servants drafted into service for four years on the basis of merit and competence.
How long would it be before the legislature pretty much resembled what we have in place now?
 
Thunder said:
um..is this guy out of his mind?
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Yes.

This whole "throw the bums out revolution" happens about every 8-10 years or so. It fails every time - the incumbents get re-elected 90% of the time. Well, this time it's different!!! Ummm....yeah. Of course it is. :rolleyes:
 
Bikewer said:
Lets say.....We literally throw the rascals out. The entire legislature, that is. By some sort of nationwide consensual recall.
Then we replace the bunch of them with dedicated civil servants drafted into service for four years on the basis of merit and competence.
How long would it be before the legislature pretty much resembled what we have in place now?
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6 months.
 
Bikewer said:
How long would it be before the legislature pretty much resembled what we have in place now?
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A very long time, possibly never. The immediate consequence would be to radically shift power toward the executive--someone needs to define policy. We've already seen this happen to a significant degree over the past few decades, as Congress has grown increasingly dysfunctional. Term limits would ensure that nobody in the legislature would be able to accumulate power, and that's a bad thing. You'd better hope Caesar doesn't get any ideas about empire....
 
mumblethrax said:
A very long time, possibly never. The immediate consequence would be to radically shift power toward the executive--someone needs to define policy. We've already seen this happen to a significant degree over the past few decades, as Congress has grown increasingly dysfunctional. Term limits would ensure that nobody in the legislature would be able to accumulate power, and that's a bad thing. You'd better hope Caesar doesn't get any ideas about empire....
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I am afraid I have to agree with you.

One only needs to ask how will 438 dedicated servants chosen by merit and competence determine what the federal income tax rate(s) will be. How will they balance fairness, the need to manage the national debt, and the need to keep the economy functioning? Will only the servants who are experts in economics be drafting the tax bill that will be voted on or does every single member of each of the two houses get a say? How easily can riders to the tax bill be added? Do riders have to be related to the tax bill? Will the more clever ones quickly see that the consensus will be impossible and that the various proposed rates will be averaged and thus exaggerate the magnitude of their proposed rate to bring the final result closer to their goal?

As much as I hate giving this overused JREF reply - to answer the original question we have to ask: who will be the person defining the terms merit and competence.
 
If a "throw the bums out movement" constitutes a revolution, then the Tea Party is not the Second Revolution

2d Revolution: In 1826, Andrew Jackson's Democrats swept the Whigs out of Congress on an anti-John Quincy Adams sentiment.

3d Revolution: In 1840, the Whigs swept into Congress running against Martin Van Buren.

4th Revolution: In 1860, the Republicans swept into power (aided by secession among the Democratic South) in an anti-secession furor.

5th Revolution: In 1994, the so-called Gingrich Revolution running on an anti-Clinton platform.

So 2010 this would be the sixth anti-incumbent Congressional revolution, if successful.
 
It makes me very nervous when people talk about "revolution": For one, every time the R-word is used, it gives the government more justification to argue that there is an ever increasing trend of subversion against the government, thus giving them the opportunity to push for ever increasing powers to counter this threat.

Secondly, such a revolution is not possible. When one considers just how much surveillance resources the government currently has, such a revolution could be easily crushed without any major effort, probably before it even got underway.
 
marksman said:
If a "throw the bums out movement" constitutes a revolution, then the Tea Party is not the Second Revolution

2d Revolution: In 1826, Andrew Jackson's Democrats swept the Whigs out of Congress on an anti-John Quincy Adams sentiment.

3d Revolution: In 1840, the Whigs swept into Congress running against Martin Van Buren.

4th Revolution: In 1860, the Republicans swept into power (aided by secession among the Democratic South) in an anti-secession furor.

5th Revolution: In 1994, the so-called Gingrich Revolution running on an anti-Clinton platform.

So 2010 this would be the sixth anti-incumbent Congressional revolution, if successful.
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And I suspect there have been a few others.
 
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