Dr. Judy Wood Ph.D, Materials Science, 9/11, & Directed Energy Weapons

It appears posters never tire of that fallacy.

And what fallacy would that be, Jammonius? It isn't a fallacy to ask for proof. It's a fallacy to declare something was responsible for "destroying" the twin towers when you can't even show it exists.
 
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There are, of course, innumerable variations on the 'demand more proof' ditty, some done rhetorically, like that above, and some done in different ways.

Okay. Here is some proof that shou8ld be easy to come up with. How does Judy show that building material is missing. Her Mark I eyeball aint calibrated to weigh steel lying on the gorund.
 
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You misspelled delusions.....:D
 
Because your assertion, implied above, openly stated elsewhere, that you want a different kind of proof, without having dealt with the proof offered, is just that: Your assertion. And, your assertion is a fallacy of the "demand more proof" variety.

You are not the arbiter of what consititutes proof of the forensic exercise of determining what destroyed the WTC complex.

There is only one valid, and governmentally published determination of what destroyed the WTC complex; namely, the proof of DEW put forward, elaborately and thouroughly, by Dr. Judy Wood.

Deal with it

No proof has been offered, outside of you making a claim, no Jammonious, it is not a fallacy to ask for more proof, all you have done is make an erroneous claim, and when asked to prove tha claim, you refuse to engage in conversation, that is rich. Again, how can you claim proof of something when you won't even define what it is? Sorry, I am not a child, and the "because I said so" routine doesn't work here.

As has been shown in this as well as numerous other threads, you are ignorant to real evidence, it isn't going away Jammonious. The only directed energy weapons used that day were planes, big jumbo jet airliners, this has been proven in a court of law, this is where all of the evidence points, there is not one shred of evidence that points elsewhere to some imaginary energy weapon.
 
No proof has been offered, outside of you making a claim,

What on earth are you talking about, Djlunacee? This thread is about the proof put forward by Dr. Judy Wood, with links all over the place to where the proof can be found.

no Jammonious, it is not a fallacy to ask for more proof,

I really don't understand how people in this thread can let you get away with the above statement without sending you a PM or posting up a correction. Based on how frequently it is used, have you no recollection of the phrase "moving the goal post"? I believe that phrase has been used 100s of times.

That is the way the "demand more proof" fallacy is usually referred to as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalpost

all you have done is make an erroneous claim, and when asked to prove tha claim, you refuse to engage in conversation, that is rich.

No it is not rich. My approach is the logically proper approach in dealing with fallacious assertions. I am not here to participate in the fallacies put forward by posters, let alone gotcha games, wild goose chases or other mechanisms that serve to set up dumb control games.

Posters won't readily admit it, but what they are seeking to do is to be able to use what I post against me, literally to say "gotcha." That is a game. It has no meaning and does not advance the state of the discussion. Instead, it retards it.

I will not ever play such games. I do not initiate them and I do not participate in them.

Again, how can you claim proof of something when you won't even define what it is? Sorry, I am not a child, and the "because I said so" routine doesn't work here.

That is a clever twist; but, your construct is not an adequate, let alone accurate description of what I do.

For the most part, you have not at all addressed yourself to the proof put forward by Dr. Wood. That proof is the issue. Please consider dealing with it.

As has been shown in this as well as numerous other threads, you are ignorant to real evidence, it isn't going away Jammonious.

I am not ignorant to real evidence. That is the kind of evidence I post.

The only directed energy weapons used that day were planes, big jumbo jet airliners, this has been proven in a court of law,

That is false, unsubstantiated and indicative of numerous fallacious attributes.

this is where all of the evidence points, there is not one shred of evidence that points elsewhere to some imaginary energy weapon.

That is false and has not ever been reliably proven by any governmentally funded investigative effort. Not ever. Further, the debunker websites that seek to compile references to some claim or other sourced to stupid newspapers, among other improper sources, does not constitute proof of anything. Instead, such efforts are harmful propaganda exercises.

One more time for sake of clarity:

The proof of DEW as a causal factor in the destruction of the WTC complex on 9/11, put forward by Dr. Judy Wood, is the only authentic, thorough and documented analysis of what destroyed the WTC complex to be found in the public record at a proper governvmental website.

The only one.
 
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<Snipped bull crap> One more time for sake of clarity:

The proof of DEW as a causal factor in the destruction of the WTC complex on 9/11, put forward by Dr. Judy Wood, is the only authentic, thorough and documented analysis of what destroyed the WTC complex to be found in the public record at a proper governvmental website.

The only one.

And yet, even Ms Wood doesn't explain how it is possible. She only describes that it was, a posts a bunch of crap.
 
And yet, even Ms Wood doesn't explain how it is possible. She only describes that it was, a posts a bunch of crap.

Although your post is a tad indirect, it is at least one post that recognizes that Dr. Judy Wood is the only person who has posted up a valid, thorough and painstaking analysis of what destroyed the WTC complex to a governmental website. True, the post then criticizes the effort, but the fact remains, in terms of proving what happened on 9/11, Dr. Judy Wood and her proof of DEW is basically the only game in town.

Isn't that a fine kettle of fish for debunkers to deal with.
 
Although your post is a tad indirect, it is at least one post that recognizes that Dr. Judy Wood is the only person who has posted up a valid, thorough and painstaking analysis of what destroyed the WTC complex to a governmental website. True, the post then criticizes the effort, but the fact remains, in terms of proving what happened on 9/11, Dr. Judy Wood and her proof of DEW is basically the only game in town.
Isn't that a fine kettle of fish for debunkers to deal with.
I suppose, if you ignore all the rest.



:rolleyes:
 
Although your post is a tad indirect, it is at least one post that recognizes that Dr. Judy Wood is the only person who has posted up a valid, thorough and painstaking analysis of what destroyed the WTC complex to a governmental website. True, the post then criticizes the effort, but the fact remains, in terms of proving what happened on 9/11, Dr. Judy Wood and her proof of DEW is basically the only game in town.

Isn't that a fine kettle of fish for debunkers to deal with.

If, as you and Ms. Woods claim is true, and that is the steel is "dustified" please explain this picture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Wtc-photo.jpg

Tons and tons of steel beams can be seen in this picture. I thought they were dustified?
 
If, as you and Ms. Woods claim is true, and that is the steel is "dustified" please explain this picture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Wtc-photo.jpg

Tons and tons of steel beams can be seen in this picture. I thought they were dustified?

And the surrounding roads have been cleared, so a lot of steel has been recovered already. For example the huge sheets of exterior column that fell towards the Winter Gardens. This is well into cleanup phase.

It also gives the lie to the Jowenko interview "It was so clean you could walk around it" claim for WTC7, even into this phase of the cleanup.
 
What on earth are you talking about, Djlunacee? This thread is about the proof put forward by Dr. Judy Wood, with links all over the place to where the proof can be found.

One more time for sake of clarity:

The proof of DEW as a causal factor in the destruction of the WTC complex on 9/11, put forward by Dr. Judy Wood, is the only authentic, thorough and documented analysis of what destroyed the WTC complex to be found in the public record at a proper governvmental website.

Dr. Judy Wood is hideous looking, she looks like the wicked witch from the east. She should seriously look into getting some morning wood, if you know what I mean!

Dr. Wood doesn't have any proof of a non-existant DEW. The Government already cleared DEW's in 2007 as being non-existant.

Jam, are you just as insane as Judy Wood is? If so seek help!
 
If, as you and Ms. Woods claim is true, and that is the steel is "dustified" please explain this picture.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Wtc-photo.jpg

Tons and tons of steel beams can be seen in this picture. I thought they were dustified?

Triforcharity,

Your post is unfortunate in that it relies on both ridicule and the linking to a photo about which you tell us nothing at all.

Your ridicule derives from your reference to "Ms. Woods." That little insult must be understood as your attempt at ridicule, confirming you are at the first stage of truth.

The person who has proven that DEW are a causal factor in the destruction of the WTC complex on 9/11/01 is properly identified as Dr. Judy Wood, a materials engineering scientist.

Dustification illustrated by Dr. Wood:

dustificationillustrated.jpg


No one other than Dr. Wood has demonstrated what occurred at the WTC complex on 9/11 down to and including demonstration of the dustification of that complex, as illustrated above, other than materials engineering scientist, Dr. Judy Wood.

It was blatantly fraudulent for the SAIC and ARA led NIST project to determine that it did not need to investigate what caused the above shown annihilation.

Fortunately for us and our posterity, Dr. Wood has proven that DEW did what is seen here.
 
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Your ridicule derives from your reference to "Ms. Woods." That little insult must be understood as your attempt at ridicule, confirming you are at the first stage of truth.

We have arrived fully at the truth (as opposed to Da Twoof, which is what you are selling.) The truth is that whacky old Judy is no longer able to function as a scientist.

Dustification illustrated by Dr. Wood:

No, all that that picture shows is normal concrete dust being ejected from the collapsing tower. Whacky old Judy has no clue what is in that dust cloud. She was not there to sample it. What was collected of it turned out to be mostly concrete, gypsum, glass and wood fibers with a scattering of paint chips, welding fume and fly ash.


It was blatantly fraudulent for the SAIC and ARA led NIST project to determine that it did not need to investigate what caused the above shown annihilation.

Fortunately for us and our posterity, Dr. Wood has proven that DEW did what is seen here.

Oh, stop that and actually LOOK at the big photo Tri has posted. You claimed that the DEW beam also hit the outlying buildings and left m"round holes" in the roofs. There are no round holes. They all have straight edges. The edges of the holes follow steel beams. There is abundant wreckage fro a tower on top of those that were destroyed out right, with wreckae from a tower inside them.

You lose
 
crazy people are like other people's kids; they're cute for a little while, but then they just get on your nerves.
 
What on earth are you talking about, Djlunacee? This thread is about the proof put forward by Dr. Judy Wood, with links all over the place to where the proof can be found.

No, you have made assertions, without presenting a single shred of evidence, not one.

I really don't understand how people in this thread can let you get away with the above statement without sending you a PM or posting up a correction. Based on how frequently it is used, have you no recollection of the phrase "moving the goal post"? I believe that phrase has been used 100s of times.

That is the way the "demand more proof" fallacy is usually referred to as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalpost

Ever heard of the term deflection?

No it is not rich. My approach is the logically proper approach in dealing with fallacious assertions. I am not here to participate in the fallacies put forward by posters, let alone gotcha games, wild goose chases or other mechanisms that serve to set up dumb control games.]

Logical? Hardly. Remember, you have already claimed Ground Zero was flat. Planes, trains, and buses, all sound the same. The planes should have bounced off of the towers and fallen to the ground. The coup de gras, that the word we doesn't include me or I. Hardly logical, jammonious.

Posters won't readily admit it, but what they are seeking to do is to be able to use what I post against me, literally to say "gotcha." That is a game. It has no meaning and does not advance the state of the discussion. Instead, it retards it.

I will not ever play such games. I do not initiate them and I do not participate in them.

This ladies and gentlemen is Jammonious' way of saying I have no idea what I am talking about.

That is a clever twist; but, your construct is not an adequate, let alone accurate description of what I do.

For the most part, you have not at all addressed yourself to the proof put forward by Dr. Wood. That proof is the issue. Please consider dealing with it.

Until you define what kind of enrgy was used, and the logistics of how a non-existent weapon was used and explain these fully, anything else JW says is nothing more than fantasy, get it?



I am not ignorant to real evidence. That is the kind of evidence I post.

Ever think of stand-up comedy as a career? You have done it on numerous occassions.



That is false, unsubstantiated and indicative of numerous fallacious attributes..

Proven in a court of law, your uneducated opinion is irrelevant.

That is false and has not ever been reliably proven by any governmentally funded investigative effort. Not ever. Further, the debunker websites that seek to compile references to some claim or other sourced to stupid newspapers, among other improper sources, does not constitute proof of anything. Instead, such efforts are harmful propaganda exercises.

You do realize Jammonious that FEMA, NTSB, NYPD, FDNY, FBI, NIST, Port Authority, and numerous other governmental agencies, local and federal investigated 9/11, and not one came to this conclusion:

One more time for sake of clarity:

The proof of DEW as a causal factor in the destruction of the WTC complex on 9/11, put forward by Dr. Judy Wood, is the only authentic, thorough and documented analysis of what destroyed the WTC complex to be found in the public record at a proper governvmental website.

The only one.

Again, ever consider stand-up comedy as a career?
 
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We have arrived fully at the truth (as opposed to Da Twoof, which is what you are selling.) The truth is that whacky old Judy is no longer able to function as a scientist.

Your need to ridicule is put on display in most of your posts. The above is no exception.

No, all that that picture shows is normal concrete dust being ejected from the collapsing tower.

Your opinions tend to be stated with a kind of a priori certainty. But, you do not substantiate your opinions, let alone source them (although, in truth, you can't source your opinion to any investigative effort because, other than that of Dr. Wood, there is none).

Your opinion is noted. Dr. Judy Wood, a materials engineering scientist has shown that DEW destroyed the WTC complex. Her proof matters.

Whacky old Judy has no clue what is in that dust cloud. She was not there to sample it. What was collected of it turned out to be mostly concrete, gypsum, glass and wood fibers with a scattering of paint chips, welding fume and fly ash.

Once again, your characteristic lack of sourcing is noted.

Oh, stop that and actually LOOK at the big photo Tri has posted. You claimed that the DEW beam also hit the outlying buildings and left m"round holes" in the roofs. There are no round holes.

gzholes-1.jpg


They all have straight edges. The edges of the holes follow steel beams. There is abundant wreckage fro a tower on top of those that were destroyed out right, with wreckae from a tower inside them.

Your opinion is not substantiated by any visual proof, investigative analysis, or any other a posteriori demonstration of accuracy.


You are the only participant in your game.

The issue is not gamesmanship, rather it is that of coming to grips with what was done to us. This is serious.
 
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