Open Letter to Dave Thomas

cmatrix said:
Nice try Dave. We all know you have never ever attempted to deal with the WTC 7 2.25 seconds free fall period because you can't. It is simply not possible to conform with both the official crackpot 9/11 theory and the laws of physics. You know that, at least unconsciously. You see no purpose in debating not because it's irrelevant or that it's been done before but because you simply can't win. Your position is one of faith not science and most certainly not skepticism.
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Would you stop trying to persuade that "2.25 seconds free fall" BS to everyone!

It doesn't prove a damn thing about a CD, so get over it! :mad:

About the Laws Of Physics, it wasn't broken & it can never be broken! So put that in your crackpipe & smoke it!
 
bill smith said:
This was part of a discussion that was held on that long thread.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6284873&postcount=917 hyperlink

http://info-wars.org/2010/08/26/coast-to-coast-am-911-debate-with-richard-gage-and-dave-thomas/ audio 11 parts

The explanation by Dave for how the 2.25 second thing worked is from about the 5:00 minutes mark in this attached clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V93lg0P35QE 6of11
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No, he doesn't explain how office fires magically removed the 58 perimeter columns simultaneously and continuously for the 8 stories that Gage pointed out. Instead he goes off on a ridiculous Argument from incredulity tangent on how unbelievable 9/11 would be for the buildings to be controlled demolitions. Despite being a physicist, instead of dealing with the physics he misdirects the discussion. This tactic would not work in a moderated debate here with me and this is why Dave won't debate me.
 
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cmatrix said:
I will back up my statements (which I have put forth and defended before until they were removed) as soon as a separate moderated thread is setup for me. Which is the whole point of this thread. Your resident physicist has declined. What does that tell you?

As for the "$5000 thread" I have no idea what you are talking about. Another limp-wristed attempt to discredit and misdirect from the main points I put forth I assume. A competently moderated thread will dispense with this typical JREF stupidity as well.
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He explained and referenced what you asked for. He declined to discuss it with you because you fail to understand his work and explanation in the first place. You are not qualified to debate or discuss his work, your closing paragraph here is evidence.


You prefer moronic lies from 911 truth which force you to make up idiotic statements like this moronic masterpiece. This is a stundie that almost is good enough to humor physics teachers.
cmatrix said:
... the WTC 7 2.25 seconds free fall period because you can't. It is simply not possible to conform with both the official crackpot 9/11 theory and the laws of physics. ...
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Pure nonsense. This is a big reason you will not be debating physics with a physics professor; you have idiotic claims like this which pretty much seal the deal, physics and you may never have reality based encounter.

If you understood his work, you would not be making idiotic statements.

You ignore it took over 15 seconds for WTC7 to collapse and the Penthouse fell through the building when the interior columns failed, the interior was collapsing for many seconds before the facade fell.


It looks like the interior is collapsing through the windows. Ignore the fact there is no real structure holding up the exterior of WTC 7, and you can keep your delusions.

How long have you been teaching physics? Where is your model?
 
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cmatrix said:
No, he doesn't explain how office fires magically removed the 58 perimeter columns simultaneously and continuously for the 8 stories that Gage pointed out. Instead he goes off on a ridiculous Argument from incredulity tangent on how unbelievable 9/11 would be for the buildings to be controlled demolitions. Despite being a physicist, instead of dealing with the physics he misdirects the discussion. This behavior would not be allowed in a moderated debate here and this is why Dave won't debate me.
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I think he may have misspoken in the heat of the moment about the 2.25 seconds and it's implications. As C7 said the upper part wasn't held up by a skyhook while the lower part fell. So maybe Dave would care to explain what he really meant ?
 
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cmatrix said:
No, he doesn't explain how office fires magically removed the 58 perimeter columns simultaneously and continuously for the 8 stories that Gage pointed out. Instead he goes off on a ridiculous Argument from incredulity tangent on how unbelievable 9/11 would be for the buildings to be controlled demolitions. Despite being a physicist, instead of dealing with the physics he misdirects the discussion. This tactic would not work in a moderated debate here with me and this is why Dave won't debate me.
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What makes you think it happened like this? The evidence does not support this. Is it just because that's what Gage told you?
 
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triforcharity said:
Hey, here is a novel idea. If you are so smart, and are so dead set on proving NIST wrong, why don't you be the FIRST TRUTHER EVER to write it up in a paper, put your math together, and submit it to any of the RESPECTABLE journals on engineering.

I reccomend:

Journal of Structural Engineering

Journal SEI - IABSE

Advances in Structural Engineering

JOM
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/jomhome.asp

Any of the ASCE journals.

We await your abstract.
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cmatrix. Read the post I quoted. Do as he says & you'll be famous.
 
cmatrix,

cmatrix said:
I will back up my statements (which I have put forth and defended before until they were removed) as soon as a separate moderated thread is setup for me.
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"… is set up for me"…??

Are you a child? Do you require others to do the things that you want done?

I've contacted the mods & asked them what's involved. Took 30 seconds.

I asked them to reply here.

cmatrix said:
Your resident physicist has declined. What does that tell you?
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He's got better things to do…?

cmatrix said:
As for the "$5000 thread" I have no idea what you are talking about. Another limp-wristed attempt to discredit and misdirect from the main points I put forth I assume.
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You have "no idea what am talking about"…??

Funny. Someone named "cmatrix" made this wager. (aka, "a bet").

"$5000 - $25,000: WTC7 9/11 Challenge

Michael Fullerton, founder of Vernon 9/11 Truth, is offering a $5000 reward to the first person anywhere in the world who can provide some specific answers relating to the 9/11 event…"

http://www.vernon911truth.org/wtc7contest.html

Sound familiar yet?

I accepted your challenge HERE.

But didn't want to take your money. So I explained some of your misconceptions HERE.

Your response to my points: silence.

No debate. No questions. Not a single word.

Until we get to your single subsequent post in this thread:

cmatrix said:
I will never discuss the contest here further so I guess in your minds that means the contest is a sham.
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I guess you've changed "I'll never discuss the contest further" into "What contest?"

Whatever cocks your pistol...

cmatrix said:
If the contest is a sham, then you should have no problem explaining how the laws of physics referenced in the contest are not violated.
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Yeah, as I said before, " they weren't". Not to one iota.

You just have no clue about the REAL "laws of physics".

Very simple, really.

cmatrix said:
Here's my challenge to JREFies. I'll debate the physics behind this contest with anyone anywhere.
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Well, start debating.

What laws of physics were broken? Exactly how were they broken?

cmatrix said:
Just one exception. I want my own thread dealing only with this topic. I tried to start one but it was moved to the general pit of stupidity.
I can't discuss it here or it will also be moved.
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Perhaps you should stop saying stupid things.

Just a thought...

cmatrix said:
I simply cannot tolerate wading through a gigantic cesspool of electric JREF vomit and e-diarrhea.
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"Stupid things" like the above statement, for example.


tom
 
bill smith said:
I think he may have misspoken in the heat of the moment about the 2.25 seconds and it's implications. As C7 said the upper part wasn't held up by a skyhook while the lower part fell. So maybe Dave would care to explain what he really meant ?
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Dave will explain when hell freezes over. He "has better things to do" than further tarnish his credibility as a physicist and skeptic. The simultaneous and continuous removal of 8 stories of 58 perimeter columns requires a massive amount of energy that is in no way available in the official NIST fairytale. This constitutes a massive violation of the law of conservation of energy. Dave is not stupid, he knows this. The $5000 question is why on Earth is a physicist and skeptic supporting a crackpot conspiracy theory that clearly violates the laws of physics?
 
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cmatrix said:
Dave will explain when hell freezes over. He "has better things to do" than further tarnish his credibility as a physicist and skeptic. The simultaneous and continuous removal of 8 stories of 58 perimeter columns requires a massive amount of energy that is in no way available in the official NIST fairytale. This constitutes a massive violation of the law of conservation of energy. Dave is not stupid, he knows this. The $5000 question is why on Earth is a physicist and skeptic supporting a crackpot conspiracy theory that clearly violates the laws of physics?
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58 perimeter columns removed - your words, not theirs.
8 stories removed - your words, not theirs.

North face, due to column buckling, resulted in 2.25 seconds of free fall of the north face - their words...not yours.

A good start would be to debate what they said, not what you interpret.

TAM:)
 
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cmatrix said:
No, he doesn't explain how office fires magically removed the 58 perimeter columns simultaneously and continuously for the 8 stories that Gage pointed out. Instead he goes off on a ridiculous Argument from incredulity tangent on how unbelievable 9/11 would be for the buildings to be controlled demolitions. Despite being a physicist, instead of dealing with the physics he misdirects the discussion. This tactic would not work in a moderated debate here with me and this is why Dave won't debate me.
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Nice job, again saying that all 58 ext. columns were removed simultaneously. It was not, and you know it. I know I have told you before. The FFA was a PART of the North face, above buckled columns.

Derpa derpa.
 
cmatrix said:
The simultaneous and continuous removal of 8 stories of 58 perimeter columns requires a massive amount of energy that is in no way available in the official NIST fairytale. This constitutes a massive violation of the law of conservation of energy.
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Excellent, you've made a claim. Now, it's time to back it up. How much energy is required to create an eight-storey buckle in the perimeter columns in question, and how much is available to do so? I'm sure that, not being a lying fantasist who pulls wild assertions out of nowhere, you evaluated both those quantities before claiming that one is greater than the other, so you must have the numbers close at hand. Let's see them, and your derivation of them, and we'll see whether you've made any mistakes.

Because that's how physicists actually do things - work out the numbers, and check their working. Sweeping assertions aren't any use without the numbers to back them up.

Dave
 
cmatrix said:
The $5000 question is why on Earth is a physicist and skeptic supporting a crackpot conspiracy theory that clearly violates the laws of physics?
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Delusions of grandeur much? How is it the laws of physics have been violated?
Yet, only a handful of Twoofers noticed. As opposed to the entire scientific community! Brilliant!
 
cmatrix said:
The simultaneous and continuous removal of 8 stories of 58 perimeter columns requires a massive amount of energy that is in no way available in the official NIST fairytale.
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So much fail.

Yes that would require a "massive amount of energy" if it were true, where did all this energy come from "simultaneously?

Can't be thermite, it doesn't work that way.

Can't be explosives, no loud booms heard before the collapse, no brilliant flashes of light.

I win.

You can give the $5000 to JREF, the donate button can be found at the top of the page.
 
T.A.M. said:
58 perimeter columns removed - your words, not theirs.
8 stories removed - your words, not theirs.

North face, due to column buckling, resulted in 2.25 seconds of free fall of the north face - their words...not yours.

A good start would be to debate what they said, not what you interpret.

TAM:)
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Due to magic fires, every one of the 58 perimeter columns buckled simultaneously and continuously floor by floor for 8 stories? Yeah that's certainly believable.
 
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