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They are going straight for the heart. The rest will come out later when we drag the perps squealing into the light.
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Of course they are on a propaganda offensive.
But this is independent of the question whether they are right or not.
And they are right. Why ramble on about side issues like art students and anthrax if you can go for the gold and blame the attacks themselves on ZOG?
We have to realize that this is a very dangerous situation. The power vacuum after a USSR-style collapse of the US is enormous. It is essential that Russia/Ukraine and the EU form a military alliance soon to counter the rising power of China. Expect European troops on American soil when the house of cards starts to collapse.
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Being realistic, what a horrible mess you Americans have gotten yourselves into. You should have bitten the bullet years ago and put a stop to the destruction of everything you held dear by your own leaders. Instead of which you sat back and actively defended virtually everything they did.
Alienentity largely agrees with what Ahmadinejad actually said! That is rich.
While the actual text of President Ahmadinejad's speech may have already been linked in this thread, I appear to have missed the posting of it. So, at the risk of posting a duplicate link, here is the actual text of what Ahmadinejad really said at the UN on 9/23, to a very appreciative audience, I might add. Ahmadinejad was much more warmly received than was Obama.
It has been elsewhere pointed out that "...our dumbed-down talking heads only reported on Ahmadinejad's reference to 911 as being an inside job (with much ha-rump and contempt-filled disgust, of course), they failed to mention that his speech outlined the THREE possible scenarios/theories that most people around the world ascribe to when it comes to 911, including the government's moronic and preposterous version of the event. Of course, it was far more important for American and British media to concentrate on the walk-out of US, UK, and Australian delegates."
Equally important, if you compare what Ahmadinejad actually said with what Alienentity posted above, you will see the two bear some relationship, one to the other.
The authenticated text of Ahmadinejad's speech is found here:
http://gadebate.un.org/Portals/1/statements/634208557381562500IR_en.pdf
The relevant excerpt concerning 9/11 states:
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"First, the event of the 11 September 2001 which has affected the whole world for almost a decade. All of a sudden, the news of the attack on the twin towers was broadcast using numerous footages of the incident. Almost all governments and known figures strongly condemned this incident. But then a propaganda machine came into full force; it was implied that the whole world was exposed to a huge danger, namely terrorism, and that the only way to save the world would be to deploy forces into Afghanistan. Eventually Afghanistan, and shortly thereafter, Iraq were occupied.
Please take note:
It was said that some three thousands people were killed on 11 September for which we are all very saddened. Yet, up until now, in Afghanistan and Iraq, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions wounded and displaced, and the conflict is still going on and expanding. In identifying those responsible for the attack, there were three viewpoints.
1- That a very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack. This is the main viewpoint advocated by American statesmen.
2- That some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view.
3- It was carried out by a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents. The main evidence linking the incident was a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown, but it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire no trace of the suicide attackers was found.
There remain, however, a few questions [to] be answered:
1- Would it not have been sensible that first a thorough investigation should have been conducted by independent groups to conclusively identify the elements involved in the attack and then map out a rational plan to take measures against them?
2- Assuming the viewpoint of the American government, is it rational to launch a classic war through widespread deployment of troops that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people to counter a terrorist group? [Note: This, in particular, is similar to Alienentity's observation]
3- Was it not possible to act the way Iran countered the Riggi terrorist group, who killed and wounded 400 innocent people in Iran. In the Iranian operation, no innocent person was hurt.
It is proposed that the United Nations set up an independent fact-finding group for the event of 11 September so that in the future expressing views about it is not forbidden.
I wish to announce here that next year the Islamic Republic of Iran will host a conference to study terrorism and the means to confront it. I invite officials, scholars, thinkers, researchers and research institutes of all countries to attend this conference."
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What Ahmadinejad actually said not only rings true, it makes sense, has balance, substance and quality. It is too bad American mainstream media is not reporting it properly. Most Americans have not got the foggiest clue what Ahmadinejad really said. It is to be hoped that at least those participating in this thread will make sure they familiarize themselves with the actual text of Ahmadinejad's speech so as not to merely spread disgusting propaganda.
My point is that the reaction by the USA to 9/11 was disastrous for America, IMO. It has now destroyed the goodwill once held towards it, and the areas of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq are less stable than they were 10 years ago.
May I remind you that Pakistan has some 170 million people, and with about 60% against America that is what you call a 'PR disaster'.
And to cap it off, Al Qaeda has metastasized into many other countries, lately the African continent in a big way, and Osama is still at large. So the invasions did nothing to stop it from operating. I call that a failure of objectives.
But then I'm a skeptic.
While the actual text of President Ahmadinejad's speech may have already been linked in this thread, I appear to have missed the posting of it. So, at the risk of posting a duplicate link, here is the actual text of what Ahmadinejad really said at the UN on 9/23, to a very appreciative audience, I might add. Ahmadinejad was much more warmly received than was Obama.
It has been elsewhere pointed out that "...our dumbed-down talking heads only reported on Ahmadinejad's reference to 911 as being an inside job (with much ha-rump and contempt-filled disgust, of course), they failed to mention that his speech outlined the THREE possible scenarios/theories that most people around the world ascribe to when it comes to 911, including the government's moronic and preposterous version of the event. Of course, it was far more important for American and British media to concentrate on the walk-out of US, UK, and Australian delegates."
Equally important, if you compare what Ahmadinejad actually said with what Alienentity posted above, you will see the two bear some relationship, one to the other.
The authenticated text of Ahmadinejad's speech is found here:
http://gadebate.un.org/Portals/1/statements/634208557381562500IR_en.pdf
The relevant excerpt concerning 9/11 states:
------------------------------------------------------x
"First, the event of the 11 September 2001 which has affected the whole world for almost a decade. All of a sudden, the news of the attack on the twin towers was broadcast using numerous footages of the incident. Almost all governments and known figures strongly condemned this incident. But then a propaganda machine came into full force; it was implied that the whole world was exposed to a huge danger, namely terrorism, and that the only way to save the world would be to deploy forces into Afghanistan. Eventually Afghanistan, and shortly thereafter, Iraq were occupied.
Please take note:
It was said that some three thousands people were killed on 11 September for which we are all very saddened. Yet, up until now, in Afghanistan and Iraq, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions wounded and displaced, and the conflict is still going on and expanding. In identifying those responsible for the attack, there were three viewpoints.
1- That a very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack. This is the main viewpoint advocated by American statesmen.
2- That some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view.
3- It was carried out by a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents. The main evidence linking the incident was a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown, but it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire no trace of the suicide attackers was found.
There remain, however, a few questions [to] be answered:
1- Would it not have been sensible that first a thorough investigation should have been conducted by independent groups to conclusively identify the elements involved in the attack and then map out a rational plan to take measures against them?
2- Assuming the viewpoint of the American government, is it rational to launch a classic war through widespread deployment of troops that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people to counter a terrorist group? [Note: This, in particular, is similar to Alienentity's observation]
3- Was it not possible to act the way Iran countered the Riggi terrorist group, who killed and wounded 400 innocent people in Iran. In the Iranian operation, no innocent person was hurt.
It is proposed that the United Nations set up an independent fact-finding group for the event of 11 September so that in the future expressing views about it is not forbidden.
I wish to announce here that next year the Islamic Republic of Iran will host a conference to study terrorism and the means to confront it. I invite officials, scholars, thinkers, researchers and research institutes of all countries to attend this conference."
-------------------------------------------------------------x
What Ahmadinejad actually said not only rings true, it makes sense, has balance, substance and quality. It is too bad American mainstream media is not reporting it properly. Most Americans have not got the foggiest clue what Ahmadinejad really said. It is to be hoped that at least those participating in this thread will make sure they familiarize themselves with the actual text of Ahmadinejad's speech so as not to merely spread disgusting propaganda.
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funk de fino
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The President of Iran is a liar. A proven one. Well qualified to be a truther.
This thread ran for close to 250 opinion posts, many quite similar in tone and content to that posted by Funk and quoted above, before a link to what President Ahmadinejad of Iran actually said was provided.
Funk, of course, does not even indicate whether the speech given by Ahmadinejad had been read, let alone what part of it contains any untruth. But, then again, no one really expects much in the way of validity or truthfulness to come from Americans of any layer or level of our society, from officials, media and/or citizens, by and large.
That is too bad -- for America.
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Content free smear, clearly indicating that you are running out of arguments.
Greetings, 9/11investigator,
You are quite right. Among the content that is relevant here is a link to President Ahmadinejad's actual speech and a quote of the part relevant to 9/11. It appears my post #238 is the earliest post in this thread to include the link to the actual content. Since many posters likely use the 40post/page format, it is helpful, I think, to post the content once again for ready reference since up to that point, it was missing in action from this thread:
http://gadebate.un.org/Portals/1/sta...62500IR_en.pdf
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"First, the event of the 11 September 2001 which has affected the whole world for almost a decade. All of a sudden, the news of the attack on the twin towers was broadcast using numerous footages of the incident. Almost all governments and known figures strongly condemned this incident. But then a propaganda machine came into full force; it was implied that the whole world was exposed to a huge danger, namely terrorism, and that the only way to save the world would be to deploy forces into Afghanistan. Eventually Afghanistan, and shortly thereafter, Iraq were occupied.
Please take note:
It was said that some three thousands people were killed on 11 September for which we are all very saddened. Yet, up until now, in Afghanistan and Iraq, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions wounded and displaced, and the conflict is still going on and expanding. In identifying those responsible for the attack, there were three viewpoints.
1- That a very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack. This is the main viewpoint advocated by American statesmen.
2- That some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view.
3- It was carried out by a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents. The main evidence linking the incident was a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown, but it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire no trace of the suicide attackers was found.
There remain, however, a few questions [to] be answered:
1- Would it not have been sensible that first a thorough investigation should have been conducted by independent groups to conclusively identify the elements involved in the attack and then map out a rational plan to take measures against them?
2- Assuming the viewpoint of the American government, is it rational to launch a classic war through widespread deployment of troops that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people to counter a terrorist group? [Note: This, in particular, is similar to Alienentity's observation]
3- Was it not possible to act the way Iran countered the Riggi terrorist group, who killed and wounded 400 innocent people in Iran. In the Iranian operation, no innocent person was hurt.
It is proposed that the United Nations set up an independent fact-finding group for the event of 11 September so that in the future expressing views about it is not forbidden.
I wish to announce here that next year the Islamic Republic of Iran will host a conference to study terrorism and the means to confront it. I invite officials, scholars, thinkers, researchers and research institutes of all countries to attend this conference."
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Moderate, sensible words by the Iranian president.
Now that the US has basically given Iraq to Iran, Iran can sell itself as the natural leader of the Islamic world. Iran knows exactly where the vulneralibities of the West are: 9/11 & holocaust, both lies.
In a multipolar world where several parties have nukes, the party that uses a nuke first loses. Because he loses the moral high ground and will unite the rest of the world against him.
The best that can happen to the US in the given situation is:
- military uprising from Buchanan/Ron Paul/Ventura types, supported by US veterans and tea-partiers.
- abolishment of the FED
- reintroduction of gold standard; dumping of the dollar, introducing new dollar with exchange rate 1:10 to the old dollar (sorry China)
- nationalization of the media
- restauration of the constitution, abolishment patriot act
- abandoning empire, bringing the troops home from Europe, Korea, GUS and the rest
- slashing military budget in close agreement with EU and Russia
- closing down of all Jewish political organisations in the US (AIPAC, ADL, SPLC, AEI, JINSA, JWC, etc., etc.)
- closing borders; repatriation of illegals
- mercantile economic policy, end of free trade, balancing import and export; import tariffs so US industry can recover
- give southwest states back to Mexico like it was in the 19th century.
- redefinition of the remaining US territory as a European society
- joint European/Russian/American military operations in nuclear disarming Israel. Forced 2-state solution
- radical opening up of WW2-archives for revisionists
Now that the US has basically given Iraq to Iran, Iran can sell itself as the natural leader of the Islamic world. Iran knows exactly where the vulneralibities of the West are: 9/11 & holocaust, both lies.
In a multipolar world where several parties have nukes, the party that uses a nuke first loses. Because he loses the moral high ground and will unite the rest of the world against him.
The best that can happen to the US in the given situation is:
- military uprising from Buchanan/Ron Paul/Ventura types, supported by US veterans and tea-partiers.
- abolishment of the FED
- reintroduction of gold standard; dumping of the dollar, introducing new dollar with exchange rate 1:10 to the old dollar (sorry China)
- nationalization of the media
- restauration of the constitution, abolishment patriot act
- abandoning empire, bringing the troops home from Europe, Korea, GUS and the rest
- slashing military budget in close agreement with EU and Russia
- closing down of all Jewish political organisations in the US (AIPAC, ADL, SPLC, AEI, JINSA, JWC, etc., etc.)
- closing borders; repatriation of illegals
- mercantile economic policy, end of free trade, balancing import and export; import tariffs so US industry can recover
- give southwest states back to Mexico like it was in the 19th century.
- redefinition of the remaining US territory as a European society
- joint European/Russian/American military operations in nuclear disarming Israel. Forced 2-state solution
- radical opening up of WW2-archives for revisionists
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To be a successful liar, one needs to use substantial quantities of truth... which is why every time you point out a lie then someone will point out an oblique truth.
The above appears to me to be oblique, vague, indeterminate as to its relationship to this thread and cryptic. To put it plainly:
What, on earth, are you talking about?
Up to now, few posts here, that have been made by those who, for whatever reason, find President Ahmadinejad objectionable in some way or another, have given him the benefit of saying anything at all truthful.
Is your post a partial retraction of the many posts that proclaim him a liar or what?
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LOL a lot of bluster from the internet warriors
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What price the American French Revolution Twinstead ? Some would say that it's overdue.
At the rate your movement is gaining strength, the "perps" will be dust on the sea, or fossils in the ground before you are able to trot them out.
I suppose your great great great great great great grandchildren might carry your torch for you.
TAM
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Obama Condemns Ahmadinejad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11407326
PS. They will be killing themselves laughing in Teheran. What did he say ? On 9/11 there were candleight vigils in Iran as a gesture of sympathy for the US. On and after 9/11 everybody still believed the American propaganda machine- me and all other Truthers too I guess.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11407326
PS. They will be killing themselves laughing in Teheran. What did he say ? On 9/11 there were candleight vigils in Iran as a gesture of sympathy for the US. On and after 9/11 everybody still believed the American propaganda machine- me and all other Truthers too I guess.
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Actually i linked to it in #73. Took "lionking" only 12 minutes to determine that it's "drivel from start to finish".
The part on 9/11 is actually just one of three smaller points in one of two larger points of his argument, which is the following:
Ahmadinejad said:
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The onion was quite on the mark.
The nut from IRAN has the NWO for all of us.
A thread where 911 truth comes to the aid of a mentally ill president of Iran.
911 truthers come to the aid of a holocaust denier.
911 truthers come to the aid of a nut with delusions on 911.
911 truthers come to the aid of a homophobic dolt.
Will 911 truthers trade in their current NWO terrible existence to join the Iranian dolt in his ideal future order of delusions?
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I heard that only the Americans, the British and the Australians walked out. They must have looked (and felt) as if they were all wearing the same T-shirts. Talk about being isolated ? And in New York, home of the home-team too.
We are into a dangerous time I think. Iran could be attacked at any minute by Israel or America, They have to create a distraction. This 9/11 thing must really be sweating them hard.
We are into a dangerous time I think. Iran could be attacked at any minute by Israel or America, They have to create a distraction. This 9/11 thing must really be sweating them hard.
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Believed official story until 2004.
Doubts set in after reading about the Pentagon on the internet.
In 2005 I heard myself saying to a client: "they did it themselves".
In 2007 the Israeli angle was added to the picture thanks to Bollyn.
In the autumn of 2008 I felt the need to put thoughts to paper:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com
As you all know:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4189238
Halfway 2009 this supplementary blog:
http://911notes.blogspot.com/
Not much has changed in my understanding of 9/11 since end 2008, except that F93 was destined for WTC7.
The nano-thermite paper was a big confirmation of the story.
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