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NASA Engineer (ret.) is a Twoofie?

Childlike Empress said:
Mr Deets seems to be still processing the "culture" shock. Who can blame him.

What's with my proposal, would you be willing to discuss this topic in a moderated thread with Mr. Deets? And stick it to him for all of us to see and verify?
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I'm quoting you because I wouldn't be surprised if R. MacKey had you on "ignore".
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Misrepresentation based on ignorance - all you know are secondary sources. You don't dare to look at the primary source, so you are disqualified for any debate on the topic.
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When will you have evidence to save the dolts at CIT? Now your new expert has joined the failed CIT fly-over nut case idea. The fly-over is insanity, and it is personified by CIT.

Where is Deets? Even CIT posted nonsense and tried to post their hearsay and idiotic anaylsis as evidence. Deets gets upset and runs away.

Deets ran away from simple quesions.

R.Mackey said:
I'll handle this.

You've made the claim that AA 175 could not have impacted WTC 2 as advertised because its computed speed of ~ 560 MPH was unattainable at that altitude. (I'm paraphrasing; feel free to correct the details.) On what basis do you do so? Boeing 767's have exceeded this speed by a considerable margin at even lower altitudes on their way to crashes.
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He claims expertise, or at least I expect some expertise in the areas he was chief in. But I now sections chief may not have clue in areas so broad as 911 events. Deets may of been section chief, but it looks like the indians did the major thinking if his sections were successful.
The divisions were broken down into branches. Prior to becoming Research Engineering Division Chief, I was the Dynamics and Control Branch Chief. Dynamics and Control included Flight Controls, Structural Dynamics, and Flight Systems.
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I have experience at AFWAL/FIGR, the Flight Dynamics Laboratory. I know Deets has not studied the events of 911 with any depth, and he has to leave, we knew the same people and labs, and he has worked with people who I went to school with at AFIT. This is embarrassing for him, he did work in areas related to the work we did at AFIT for our graduate work, and at AFWAL. He is an expert at BS, as he fools p4t, you, MM, CIT and others when he is armed with the same evidence you guys have; zero. Prove me wrong CE, produce some evidence. make your day
 
T.A.M. said:
CIT - find a number of witnesses, specifically selected for their possible conflicting memories of where the plane flew. Ask them leading questions. Produce for the general public EDITED videos with only SEGMENTS of the interviews included. Ask these leading questions YEARS later, about a moment in time that was incredibly brief, and faded with time, and then piece together this story of a NORTH of CITGO flight path.


Ok, tell me what part of the above you disagree with. The above is the ENTIRETY of the CIT case, that you claim is STRONG and SOLID.

TAM:)
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A total misrepresentation on your part T.A.M.

But it would be faithless of you to react in any other way I know.

I have seen the interviews.

I've professionally edited more than a thousand interviews in my lifetime.

I found the northern flightpath witness testimony to be most compelling.

If God himself went on the stand, and claimed a northern flightpath, you would still make the same bigoted response.

Don't bother responding fresh. Any of your previously canned replies will sufice.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
A total misrepresentation on your part T.A.M.

But it would be faithless of you to react in any other way I know.

I have seen the interviews.

I've professionally edited more than a thousand interviews in my lifetime.

I found the northern flightpath witness testimony to be most compelling.
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Did flight 77 end it's flightpath buried inside the Pentagon?

yes/no
 
Miragememories said:
A total misrepresentation on your part T.A.M.

But it would be faithless of you to react in any other way I know.

I have seen the interviews.

I've professionally edited more than a thousand interviews in my lifetime.

I found the northern flightpath witness testimony to be most compelling.

If God himself went on the stand, and claimed a northern flightpath, you would still make the same bigoted response.

Don't bother responding fresh. Any of your previously canned replies will sufice.

MM
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SO what parts did I get wrong? Be specific. They didn't specifically select their witnesses? You mean they randomly selected them?

Did they provide for public viewing, their full and unedited interviews of all their interviewees?

Did they or did they not interview them YEARS after the incident?

Was the moment they were expected to remember not brief?

Was the moment they were expected to remember not traumatic?

These are the points my paragraph made...what parts did I get wrong?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
SO what parts did I get wrong? Be specific. They didn't specifically select their witnesses? You mean they randomly selected them?

Did they provide for public viewing, their full and unedited interviews of all their interviewees?

Did they or did they not interview them YEARS after the incident?

Was the moment they were expected to remember not brief?

Was the moment they were expected to remember not traumatic?

These are the points my paragraph made...what parts did I get wrong?

TAM:)
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Maybe it was your implying that they had to be blind and mental cripples.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Maybe it was your implying that they had to be blind and mental cripples.

MM
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Why does Deets have delusions like CIT?

Why did Deets run away, and you have no evidence like Deets, but you stay and post nonsense? Does Deets know his ideas are BS and you don't know your ideas are the same?
 
BigAl said:
Did flight 77 end it's flightpath buried inside the Pentagon?

yes/no
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That is the official story now isn't it Al?

Now once you explain to me how Sgt. Lagasse could clearly recall seeing that flight pass him on a route north of the Citgo gas station and still manage to knock down those lightpoles; then I might be able to give you a "yes" or "no" response to your stupid question?

It is a mystery, and you have chosen to live with the one which is called the official story.

MM
 
MM, he doesn't even know that most of them were on public record since 2001, interviewed by the Center for Military History. Go watch "NSA", TAM, get up on speed. Dare to tear down the beachnut filter! That's how inquiry works, first the primary, then the secondary sources. But you choose to "believe".
 
beachnut said:
Why does Deets have delusions like CIT?

Why did Deets run away, and you have no evidence like Deets, but you stay and post nonsense? Does Deets know his ideas are BS and you don't know your ideas are the same?
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Deets knows a snakepit when he sees one.

I admire him for quickly recognizing that it would be a precious waste of his time hoping to carry on an honest dialogue in this forum.

Dr. Greening took a while, but he to came to the same conclusion.

MM
 
Childlike Empress said:
MM, he doesn't even know that most of them were on public record since 2001, interviewed by the Center for Military History. Go watch "NSA", TAM, get up on speed. Dare to tear down the beachnut filter! That's how inquiry works, first the primary, then the secondary sources. But you choose to "believe".
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Citation? Source?
 
Miragememories said:
Maybe it was your implying that they had to be blind and mental cripples.

MM
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the witnesses? No, only that they are human. Most people would have trouble recalling the exact flight path of an aircraft flying overhead (or near over head) at 500 mph, seconds before it crashed, years later.

Now Craig and Aldo...ya, they are blind (to the real truth) and mental cripples.

TAM:)
 
OMG... we're talking about CIT again? People, Ryan pretty much summed it up 2 years ago:
R.Mackey said:
One other thing I noticed, from the first comment thread at the OC Weekly, was yet another tantalizing glimpse into their beliefs:
CIT Craig Ranke said:
goes on, “-pause for circus music- a magic trick in which a military plane painted to resemble an American Airlines jet flew low over the Pentagon while explosives took down a wall of the structure in a convenient cloud of smoke, thus allowing the plane to fly away and secretly land somewhere, presumably at nearby Reagan National Airport. Unfortunately, their film The PentaCon, doesn’t provide any evidence of this.”

We don’t provide evidence for this because it is not our claim. We never said the decoy jet in question was painted to look like an AA jet and in fact we claim the opposite. The evidence we provide suggests that it did not look like an AA jet since most independent witnesses we spoke with describe different colors.
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Source

This little detail is new to me. So let me see if I've got it straight:

According to the Citzen Investigation Team, the Government or whomever wanted to fool the world into thinking American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, along a certain heading that took it through several light poles and low over the freeway just prior to impact.

To do this, They executed the following:
  • They flew an aircraft over the Pentagon
  • The aircraft traveled along a different heading entirely, on the opposite side of a visible landmark (viz. the Citgo station)
  • The aircraft passed nowhere near the light poles in question
  • The light poles were sabotaged anyway, in some completely different fashion than aircraft impact
  • One light pole was staged to penetrate the windshield of a car, in traffic, again despite the actual aircraft not passing anywhere near overhead
  • A large amount of explosives was detonated as the aircraft passed by
  • The aircraft then flew away over the Pentagon, where it was allegedly sighted by at least one individual
  • The explosion or whatever demolition carried out at the Pentagon left a hole far too small to have been caused by AA 77
  • A readable flight data recorder (FDR) was planted (along with an insufficient amount of aircraft debris) that allegedly conflicts with both Their false story and the track of the actual aircraft
And, finally,
  • The aircraft in question was deliberately painted so as to not even resemble an American Airlines jetliner.
I am reasonably certain that the above is the stupidest hypothesis ever conceived for any purpose, including parody, intentional humor, or even stress tests of human perception in psychological experiments.

In the future, I plan to take no notice whatsoever of the Citizens Investigation Team, other than to link back to this post. From here, there is simply no return. I deeply pity the minds that are snared by such utter madness.
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Really, what has changed since then? It was lunacy in 2008, and it's lunacy in 2010. It'll be lunacy for as long as people keep referring to it. I wouldn't call it the "stupidest hypothesis ever conceived" - that "honor" belongs to the beam weapon and mininuke folks - but it's easily in the top 3. It makes nanothermite look sane. Why would anyone even bother defending it, save for self-inflicted masochism? Is it a badge of honor to be thought of as stupidly gullible?
 
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