Is Communism Synonymous With Atheism?

[Dragonrock]

Well, as far as god=dog, it's really a full chase scenario. The running theme is less of a highball and more of stiff shooter. For example, many theists can't contain their basic need for things like food and shelter so they fail to grasp the underlying concept of self-worth. Many less advanced civilizations have been know to use atheism as a device for ruining multiple concepts simultaneously. When writing for deeper topics like one would find in books you usually discover slower moving ideals resting on the laurels of the publishers.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

I saw a guy, about my age, walking around with a CCCP + hammer and sickle shirt today.

It was awesome. I said "Nice shirt!" and made a thumbs up to him.

 

[Twiler]

Epix seems to be turning into Yrreg.

 

[sthomson]

I saw a guy, about my age, walking around with a CCCP + hammer and sickle shirt today.

It was awesome. I said "Nice shirt!" and made a thumbs up to him.

Was it this shirt? I so crave this shirt, except I know I would get a lot of flack and dirty looks from people who don't understand irony.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

Was it this shirt? I so crave this shirt, except I know I would get a lot of flack and dirty looks from people who don't understand irony.

Nope, it just had white text and a hammer and sickle. That one is really awesome, though.

Like this shirt: http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/DS_yoshi/Namnlssnopp.jpg

 

[Beerina]

I experimented with communism in high school. Not an easy task if your friends won't participate. Oh, I just remembered. I was a half assed xian in high school, too. I guess I was really a xian communist.

Jesus said to help your neighbor, not to force your other neighbor to help your neighbor.

 

[Mirrorglass]

Jesus said to help your neighbor, not to force your other neighbor to help your neighbor.

Well, if you want to put it that way, the Soviet Union didn't force people to do anything either. Refraining from following orders could lead to some unpleasant consequences, however.

 

[timhau]

Is this Communist cat an Atheist?

Probably not, cats usually think they're gods.

 

[Rollo9]

I think the problem is the former Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc countries imprisoned and killed many Christians. China and N.Korea did the same. The leaders of these mentioned nations knew in order to achieve their goals they needed to stamp out religion in general, not just Christianity. That does not mean that all atheists are communist and all communists are atheists, but the actions of the of China, N. Korea and the former Soviet Union could and did lead many to believe they were atheists.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I think the problem is the former Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc countries imprisoned and killed many Christians. China and N.Korea did the same. The leaders of these mentioned nations knew in order to achieve their goals they needed to stamp out religion in general, not just Christianity. That does not mean that all atheists are communist and all communists are atheists, but the actions of the of China, N. Korea and the former Soviet Union could and did lead many to believe they were atheists.

They were atheists. I'm not arguing that they weren't. I'm simply disputing epix's assertion that atheists are intrinsically communist. For what it's worth, the states mentioned also imprisoned or executed many atheists as well, not because they were atheists, but because they belonged to an educated class that the party leaders viewed as a threat to their dominance.

 

[epix]

They were atheists. I'm not arguing that they weren't. I'm simply disputing epix's assertion that atheists are intrinsically communist.

And so it has been concluded that communism and atheism are not synonyms. Since synonyms are words with a similar meaning, the conclusion is that no similarity exists between both philosophies.

That can't be true, coz similarities always exist, and what really matters is the degree of similarity. There is actually a simple formula identical & different = similar that guides the effort to establish the degree of similarity.

Communism is a philosophy that rejects the old and long established, so is Atheism. So here is one identity, but there are differences as well. The effective method to establish the degree of similarity (as a percentage) is to compare the identical cases with the different cases, where the "identical" must be defined well, coz real identities are hard to come by. That renders the method somewhat cumbersome and its result can be easily challenged by a trivialist.

There is an indirection, though, that can establish a meaningful relationship between X and Y. If there is no relationship between X and Y. The changes done to X will not be influenced by Y. We must go back in time and stop by the former Soviet Union to see about that...

In the beginning of December 1991, it was clear that the Soviet Union will be taken off the life support. The formal dissolution was scheduled to follow the natural symbolism: The sickle and hammer-studded flag of the Soviet Union will go down in Kremlin on the New Year Eve for the last time and the Russian flag will go up the next day -- the New Year Day -- but the Kremlin boys decided to change the time schedule according to a different symbolism:

On December 25, 1991, Gorbachev resigned as president of the USSR, declaring the office extinct and ceding all the powers still vested in it to the president of Russia: Yeltsin. On the night of that same day, the Soviet flag was lowered for the last time over the Kremlin. Finally, a day later on December 26, 1991, the Council of Republics (a chamber) of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR recognized the dissolution of the Soviet Union and dissolved itself.

It was decided to dissolve the Soviet Union during the two days of Christmas. That decision had to be influenced by something . . .

In Russia, Christmas is annually celebrated on January 7th, thanks to the Russian Orthodox Church that has made it an official holiday in the country. Previously the occassion was observed on December 25th in much the same way as it was in the rest of the world, complete with Christmas trees and Christmas gifts, Saint Nicholas and the like. But after the 1917 Revolution, Christmas was banned throughout Russia, along with other religious celebrations.

Why would anyone ban Christmas?

That's because if there is no God, there is no Christmas.

Well, just let the monks believe whatever they want to believe in.

It's not about that God doesn't exist; it's about Christianity being a wrong religion. There is no Heaven and Hell; there is Sausage and Gulag -- according to comrade Atheist:

 

[Resume]

And so it has been concluded that communism and atheism are not synonyms. .
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Yes, now be quiet please.

 

[Foster Zygote]

And so it has been concluded that communism and atheism are not synonyms. Since synonyms are words with a similar meaning, the conclusion is that no similarity exists between both philosophies.

Very good! That is why both ideas can be held concurrently or independently.

That can't be true, coz similarities always exist, and what really matters is the degree of similarity. There is actually a simple formula identical & different = similar that guides the effort to establish the degree of similarity.

There is no degree of similarity.

Atheism = lack of belief in gods.
Communism = communal ownership of property.

Communism is a philosophy that rejects the old and long established, so is Atheism.

Even if that were true, which is debatable, you have just established, through your own unique form of logic, that heliocentrists are all atheist communists.

 

[epix]

There is no degree of similarity.

Atheism = lack of belief in gods.
Communism = communal ownership of property.

In case you reject the idea that the term "degree of similarity" exist, then peruse the following:

The actual relationship depends on what types of sequences are being compared and the size of the comparison unit. A report published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2002 suggested that under the most rigorous alignments, the match would be only 95 percent similarity overall.

In case you mean that there is "no degree of similarity" between atheism and communism, why don't you finish eating what was served and explain how the communal ownership of property justifies cancelling religious holidays.

Even if that were true, which is debatable, you have just established, through your own unique form of logic, that heliocentrists are all atheist communists.

I didn't establish anything like that; you did and that's because you don't distinguish between the science of astronomy and philosophy. And that's because the castrated atheism (the Western form) cannot compare anything else but the evolution and the creation.

 

[Resume]

I didn't establish anything

True. Now back under the bridge.

 

[epix]

Originally Posted by epix
I didn't establish anything

True. Now back under the bridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

Scientists and their supporters used the term quote mining as early as the mid-1990s in newsgroup posts to describe quoting practices of certain creationists.[10][11][12] It is used by members of the scientific community to describe a method employed by creationists to support their arguments,[13][14][15] though it can be and often is used outside of the creation-evolution controversy. Complaints about the practice predate known use of the term: Theodosius Dobzhansky wrote in his famous 1973 essay "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution" that

Their [Creationists'] favorite sport is stringing together quotations, carefully and sometimes expertly taken out of context, to show that nothing is really established or agreed upon among evolutionists. Some of my colleagues and myself have been amused and amazed to read ourselves quoted in a way showing that we are really antievolutionists under the skin.

Even if you stop believing in creation, it won't fix your no good head. You need to go back to the Garden of Eden and talk to Eve not to munch on that prohibited fruit.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Since synonyms are words with a similar meaning, the conclusion is that no similarity exists between both philosophies.

Except that synonyms are not "words with a similar meaning".

Synonym

n.

1. A word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or other words in a language.
2. A word or an expression that serves as a figurative or symbolic substitute for another.

We can therefore conclude that communism is neither the same, nor nearly the same, as atheism, but cannot conclude that there are no points of similarity or commonality between them.

Since your definition of the word "synonym" is not the same as the generally agreed definition, I can only conclude that the language you're speaking is not in fact the same language the rest of us are speaking. This explains why nothing you say makes any sense.


Dave

 

[Foster Zygote]

In case you reject the idea that the term "degree of similarity" exist, then peruse the following:

The actual relationship depends on what types of sequences are being compared and the size of the comparison unit. A report published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2002 suggested that under the most rigorous alignments, the match would be only 95 percent similarity overall.

Since you provided that cite free of reference or context I'll provide them for you. That quote comes from an answer to a submitted question on the Scientific American website. As you can see it is part of a discussion of the genetic relationship between humans and chimpanzees. The genomes of humans and chimpanzees are not synonyms. This quote is completely spurious in regard to your argument.

In case you mean that there is "no degree of similarity" between atheism and communism, why don't you finish eating what was served and explain how the communal ownership of property justifies cancelling religious holidays.

It doesn't. It's very simple, very simple, so I'm sure that you can grasp it if you really try: The Marxist Communists repressed religion because they didn't want any rivals to their authority.

Perhaps you would care to explain the existence of Christian communists.

I didn't establish anything like that

Sure you did. You claimed a link between communism and atheism based on similar features. One of those features that you chose to support your claimed link was "rejection of the old and long established". You argue that this tenuous similarity contributes to making the word 'atheism' synonymous with the word 'communism'. So therefor any philosophy or idea that rejects anything old for anything new must be establishing synonymity with any other philosophy or idea that rejects something old for something new. So plate tectonic theory must be synonymous with communism.

 

[westprog]

One of those features that you chose to support your claimed link was "rejection of the old and long established". You argue that this tenuous similarity contributes to making the word 'atheism' synonymous with the word 'communism'. So therefor any philosophy or idea that rejects anything old for anything new must be establishing synonymity with any other philosophy or idea that rejects something old for something new. So plate tectonic theory must be synonymous with communism.

In any case, one of the defining characteristics of Marxist Communism is that it's extremely conservative in power, and rejected any kind of new thinking that it perceived as a threat - for example, the Dubcek communism in Czechoslovakia.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

In any case, one of the defining characteristics of Marxist Communism is that it's extremely conservative in power, and rejected any kind of new thinking that it perceived as a threat - for example, the Dubcek communism in Czechoslovakia.

Likely, that is one of its greatest flaws.