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What's the best substitute for IE and why?

I have Firefox on my laptop but that's a memory hog (or did they fix it)? I've had Safari 4 which made sites look slightly different. Is Safari 5 better?
I've had Opera way back when, and I liked the mouse gestures, but as far as I know Opera isn't free.
Chrome. Never tried it.

Anything else out there?
 
In your situation I would go with Chrome. (Note that Chrome are based on the WebKit rendering engine. This is the same rendering engine as Safari). Chrome is designed to be lightweight and fast.

Firefox can be a memory-hog especially if you use a lot of add-ons. Second in class on speed.

I don't like Opera. This is a purely personal opinion based on experience. It just rubs me the wrong way.

"IE sucks" applies mostly to IE6 and IE7. The suckage has become less with IE8. IE9 might suck even less. You can try a beta (if you're running Vista or 7).
 
Firefox (my personal choice, fast reliable and not likely to screw with my computer for any reason) or Chrome.
 
Interesting. Apparently IE8 is as good as FireFox and Chrome. I read about the IE9 beta (on a regular newspaper's website no less; apparently this is big news...) but I'm not too keen on using beta versions.

What surprises me is that Chrome doesn't seem to support add-ons.
Safari scores high on speed and compatibility, but I get the impression they tested it on a Mac.

Yeah, I think I'll test drive Chrome and see how that goes.
 
Opera is free, just not open source.
Chrome eats memory, but it's lean and fast.
Firefox eats memory and is kind of a hog, lots of nice extensions though.
I'm using Chrome.
 
Firefox (my personal choice, fast reliable and not likely to screw with my computer for any reason) or Chrome.

I have found Firefox to be fast but two issues have arose with me.

1. In mail applications such as Hotmail, School email. Script errors appear and block access from necessary functions.

2. When streaming videos that use java and then watching Youtube which uses flash at the same time, Firefox crashes.

As a default I use IE if there is a certain page that is optimal for that browser and if not then everything else is done in Firefox.
 
Chrome eats memory, but it's lean and fast.
How does it stay lean when it eats a lot of memory? I want to know its secret! :D

I'm looking for a browser for my regular PC, not my laptop, so the memory thing should'nt be a big problem on that machine.
 
How does it stay lean when it eats a lot of memory? I want to know its secret! :D

It uses a different process for each tab, so it does eat a lot of memory. But I feed mine light memory... ;)

I'm looking for a browser for my regular PC, not my laptop, so the memory thing should'nt be a big problem on that machine.

Exactly.
 
I have found Firefox to be fast but two issues have arose with me.

1. In mail applications such as Hotmail, School email. Script errors appear and block access from necessary functions.

2. When streaming videos that use java and then watching Youtube which uses flash at the same time, Firefox crashes.

Strange, I've never had any problems with that sort of thing.


In general, I'm not sure there's really any difference worth speaking of for most people. The speed difference is something you see in test labs, not everyday browsing where it's connection speed, latency and the server you're connecting to that dominate. As for memory, maybe some browsers use more than absolutely necessary, but unless you're trying to run them on 30 year old pocket calculator it's not something you'll ever notice. I just checked the actual numbers - with two tabs open, Firefox uses 53MB, Chrome uses 37MB. If you can find a laptop, let alone a PC, with less than 2GB these days you're probably looking in a scrap heap, so the fact that the code may not be perfectly optimised for RAM use really is irrelevant.

There are only a couple of areas where differences actually matter. Compatibility is a big one for programmers, and is the main reason people tend to say IE sucks. Microsoft tend to refuse to adhere to any standards, so sites that actually expect standards to be followed can have problems on IE that they don't on other browsers. Of course, others are no perfect on that score either, it's just that IE has tended to be the worst.

Security can technically be a problem, with different browsers having differently vulnerabilities and being differently competent at actually fixing them. Again, this is an area IE has tended to be criticised. However, by far the biggest influence on security is the user/keyboard interface. If you're sensible you don't need a browser to do security for you. If you're not sensible then, no browser can protect you.

So by far the most important thing is simply how it looks and feels. I've been trying out Chrome recently, and I don't really like it. It's a very minimalist approach, with very little on the screen other than the page you're viewing, few options and very little customisation possible. If you just want a browser that works straight out of the box, it seems perfectly good, but if you want to be able to play around with how things work a bit more, go with Firefox.
 
What's the best substitute for IE and why?

I have Firefox on my laptop but that's a memory hog (or did they fix it)? I've had Safari 4 which made sites look slightly different. Is Safari 5 better?
I've had Opera way back when, and I liked the mouse gestures, but as far as I know Opera isn't free.
Chrome. Never tried it.

Anything else out there?

Opera is free and is of course* the best browser.





*definition: of course

phrase denoting "I use it"
 
Depends on a lot of things. My current instance of Firefox is using 360K. The other user on this PC also has Firefox going, consuming 150K. I've got 11 tabs open currently, and that's low for me.
 
http://internet-browser-review.toptenreviews.com/

idk. pages like these don't show all the issues but do help clarify many things.


The version of Opera they review - 9 - is an old version - Opera is now at version 10.62 (released version that is) and there were a lot of changes from 9 to 10. For example the review says it doesn't have a private mode but version 10.62 does, so you can mix private tabs and non-private tags in the same window.
 
Used to run firefox but stopped after it got bloated, switched to opera and run that for the most part. Enjoying IE9 and can't wait to see what they do to polish it off. IE9 is the absolute fastest on my system but i do have dual SLI video cards, quad core CPU and lots of ram that it uses vs the other browers which don't currently have those features implemented yet.
 
What surprises me is that Chrome doesn't seem to support add-ons.

Yes, it does, unless you're thinking of something specific. I'm currently experimenting with Chrome, and have installed a couple of extensions that are similar to what I was using with Firefox. Actually, I see that as the biggest problem for me, the add-ons I got used to using with Firefox are not available with Chrome, or, if they are, work slightly differently. But, overall, it seems to be faster than Firefox (but take that with a pinch of salt, because all the Firefox extensions I've installed may be bogging it down).
 
Depends on a lot of things. My current instance of Firefox is using 360K. The other user on this PC also has Firefox going, consuming 150K. I've got 11 tabs open currently, and that's low for me.

Wow, so 640K would be enough for you? :p
 
Opera is free and is of course* the best browser.
They used to show ads in Opera unless you paid to get rid of them. That was version 7 or 8 I think. That's why I stopped using it.

Opera is now at version 10.62 (released version that is) and there were a lot of changes from 9 to 10. For example the review says it doesn't have a private mode but version 10.62 does, so you can mix private tabs and non-private tags in the same window.
Oh good. It looks like I have to testdrive all of them :covereyes

Yes, it does, unless you're thinking of something specific.
I was looking at the comparison site linked above. Chrome doesn't have a check mark at "Add-ons".
But that page seems out of date. Or wrong.
 
They used to show ads in Opera unless you paid to get rid of them. That was version 7 or 8 I think. That's why I stopped using it.


Oh good. It looks like I have to testdrive all of them :covereyes


I was looking at the comparison site linked above. Chrome doesn't have a check mark at "Add-ons".
But that page seems out of date. Or wrong.

Or both ;)
 

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