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StopSylvia: Finally!

RSLancastr

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Since the early days of StopSylvia, I have frequently said to Browne supporters, whether in email, on Internet fora or elsewhere,

"If you can show me anything on the site which is untrue or inaccurate, please do, and I will change it or remove it from the site. If you CANNOT, perhaps your support of Browne is misplaced."

I have said this DOZENS of times over the years, but as far as I recall, I have NEVER received any response to this. Not even an ATTEMPT at pointing out an inaccuracy or error of fact.

Until now.

Several days ago I came upon a post in a pro-Browne forum where the author had harsh words for me and mocked those who took the articles on my site as "gospel" without doing any further research. I sent this poster a message, including my oft-use quote above.

A day or so later I was pleasantly surprised to receive a response. The person listed many things he found questionable on the site. He felt, for example, that the articles which did not have anything directly to do with Browne's purported abilities (such as the articles about the Novus jewelry) should be removed from the site. In my reply I talked of how I felt that some things, while not directly related to her "abilities" (or lack thereof) DID in fact "go to character" and so, I felt, were fair to show to people so that they could take them into account when trying to decide whether or not to believe Browne's claims.

He also pointed out that the email accounts on the site are not verifiable. I agree, which is one reason I usually state "this email is only one person's opinion" before each email. For all a reader of the site knows, I have written those emails myself! It is one reason I hesitated before including them on the site at the beginning. But I think that a reader of the site can decide just how much weight to give those emails, much ;ike a jury decides how much weight to give to the testimony of a trial witness. I have long considered adding a page to my site saying much of this about emails on the site, and then linking to that page before each email. I think that the emails on the site are among the strongest articles there, but a page discussing the inherent problems with publishing emails would probably make sense.

His strongest point, I felt, was that he felt that I had been unfair or misleading in my discussion of "Gnostic Christian" beliefs in the article "Browne vs. Christiabity." I am considering this carefully, and will likely be updating that article to clarify some points, first running the update by some of my Gnostic (and ex-Gnostic) friends. I have also offered this gentleman a look at those updates when they are ready.

As I read the message, I was thinking I should post it here, and was already mentally composing how I would ask his permission to do so, but towards the end of the message he explicitly stated that I should not take his having contacted me as permission to post his communications on the JREF forum. I have asked his permission to at least paraphrase his concerns here. As I write this (offline) I have yet to receive such permission. but, if I have posted this on the forum, I have received permission to do so. In fact, I plan to run a copy of this by him before posting it.

He and I have messaged back and forth a handful of times now. As pleasantly surprised as I was to hear from him (especially given the tone of his original post about me), I think he has been similarly pleasantly surprised by my end of our correspondence as well.

I also stressed to him that, whatever changes I make to that article, they will have to wait until I have overcome the obstacles which currently are keeping me from updating the site.

All in all, it has been a very positive exchange, and will, I believe, help the site overall.

ETA: I did run this post by him and received a go-ahead on posting it here. He also gave me permission to post his name here, but I am still hesitant to do so. I will be sending him a link to this thread. He can add his name here if he so chooses.

He also stated that he will be posting about our correspondence on the "inner circle" forum. I assume that means the members-only forum opn Sylvia's site. I am not currently a member there.
 
Nice article, Robert. I think one of your best traits is the sincere desire to correct any inaccuracies and address any concerns. Having followed the progress of Stop Sylvia since you first announced on these boards a desire to start it, I enjoy reading about your responses to critics. It is OK for reasonable to disagree and an intelligent and respectful debate is sometimes too few and too far between.

Hopefully, the person who is the subject of this article will join these boards. I for one will welcome him and treat him with the same respect as you have shown. I think there is a lot to learn here.

Keep up the good work.
 
I agree with what Monza said.

Robert, could you post a link to the Gnostic article? If not, I'll go back later when I have more time and try to find it again. I don't think that's one I read.

Please feel free to share some of the Francine inconsistencies with him! I really think that will go a long way toward helping him see the truth about Browne.
 
RSL- I have read your correspondence with this individual on the SB Forum.

It will be interesting to see the light bulb illuminate over his head when he realizes that he can't find verifiable evidence in regards to Sylvia helping people through charity work or accurate predictions. I was in the same position at one time and could only defend and repeat what she so often proclaims. I was taking her word for it and believing it myself. In the end, I couldn't find anything significant, so there is no way that this naive young man will either.

I would love for him to consider the unbelievable amount of lies she tells and the contradictions that she both says and writes. Right now he can't see it because he is believing what he wants to be true.

Take my word for it, EE. While her philosophy may work for you, this woman is a miserable human being. I should know. I'm her spirit guide.

Hello to other forumites, I have had an extended absence and look forward to catching up with some of you.
 
But still no one has come up with even one single case where they have evidence that Sylvia's readings helped to solve a missing person case, right?

Despite claims among her supporters of her success in exactly that category.

FWIW, I agree that the Novus jewelry, the bogus claims of academic credential, the lies about her smoking should all stay. She's a con-artist, and the whole thing relies on gaining people's confidence, so I think it's essential to show that the perception of her held by many of her supporters isn't the real thing at all.
 
Francine, something I've always wanted to ask you: how is it possible to be an Aztec-Incan when those two cultures existed on two different continents?

And can you please speak some of either of those languages?

;)
 
Francine, something I've always wanted to ask you: how is it possible to be an Aztec-Incan when those two cultures existed on two different continents?

And can you please speak some of either of those languages?

;)
Isn't it a bit like being an African American?

IXP
 
Francine, something I've always wanted to ask you: how is it possible to be an Aztec-Incan when those two cultures existed on two different continents?

And can you please speak some of either of those languages?

;)

Sylvia has a Master's degree in History. Whoops, I mean a Master's degree in English. Nevermind.

My dad was a good swimmer.
 
Here's the link to the article in question: http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/browneandchristianity.shtml

I can't see much wrong with it.

Not everyone goes to the other side. Dark entities apparently don't. That might be a slight over-statement.

Second, they do venerate Jesus. Sylvia refers frequently to him as Our Lord and affords him some status on the other side. However, she believes in a watered-down New Age version of Jesus, which you cover accurately - He was a great teacher but is not God, he didn't die for anyone's sins, he didn't in fact die at all so he wasn't resurrected, he trained in Egypt during the "lost years," he was married.

ETA: HOORAY, Francine is back !!!!!!!! :)
 
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I just wanted to take this chance to say hello to Francine, who Robert has spoken to me about - in a very positive light - but I wasn't around during the time period when you were a more frequent poster.

I have no questions. Just wanted to give you a welcome.

Julia
 
At log last. A critical review of your site Robert. I hope it produces more converts to your point of view. That is just it, certain points of view, such as religion and psychic powers do not stand up to critical analysis.

I also added one tag to this thread.

Welcome back Francine.
 
I found Stopsylvia.com a week or so ago. Love it. I found your site while reading about James Randi's appearance with Sylvia on Larry King just before 9/11. I was curious to see what her response after the fact. That she did not predict possibly the greatest tragedy in US history and then backtracked once it was known is very telling. Thank you for putting that info out there.
 
Nice article, Robert. I think one of your best traits is the sincere desire to correct any inaccuracies and address any concerns. Having followed the progress of Stop Sylvia since you first announced on these boards a desire to start it, I enjoy reading about your responses to critics. It is OK for reasonable to disagree and an intelligent and respectful debate is sometimes too few and too far between.

Hopefully, the person who is the subject of this article will join these boards. I for one will welcome him and treat him with the same respect as you have shown. I think there is a lot to learn here.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks, Monza. there is no article, just this thread. But it seems likely that my correspondence with this man will result in at least some clarification to the article about Browne and Christianity.
 
RSL- I have read your correspondence with this individual on the SB Forum.

It will be interesting to see the light bulb illuminate over his head when he realizes that he can't find verifiable evidence in regards to Sylvia helping people through charity work or accurate predictions. I was in the same position at one time and could only defend and repeat what she so often proclaims. I was taking her word for it and believing it myself. In the end, I couldn't find anything significant, so there is no way that this naive young man will either.

I would love for him to consider the unbelievable amount of lies she tells and the contradictions that she both says and writes. Right now he can't see it because he is believing what he wants to be true.

Take my word for it, EE. While her philosophy may work for you, this woman is a miserable human being. I should know. I'm her spirit guide.

Hello to other forumites, I have had an extended absence and look forward to catching up with some of you.

Francine, nice to see you again. I hope I don't get time confused with the last time, or some day I might publish conflicting stories of when I met you! :D
 
But still no one has come up with even one single case where they have evidence that Sylvia's readings helped to solve a missing person case, right?

Not that I've heard of, Joe. If I ever do, I will definitely put an article on the site about it. I asked Browne and some of her key people for such an example, but never heard back from them.

Despite claims among her supporters of her success in exactly that category.

I believe that Linda Rossi (Browne's business manager) is on record as saying that Browne has solved thousands of such cases, yet she hasn't supplied me with one. Not that she is under any obligation to. If they don't trust me to publish it fairly, they could do so themselves, yet they do not. Nor proof of her claimed degree. Odd.

FWIW, I agree that the Novus jewelry, the bogus claims of academic credential, the lies about her smoking should all stay. She's a con-artist, and the whole thing relies on gaining people's confidence, so I think it's essential to show that the perception of her held by many of her supporters isn't the real thing at all.

My point exactly, Joe.
 
I found Stopsylvia.com a week or so ago. Love it. I found your site while reading about James Randi's appearance with Sylvia on Larry King just before 9/11. I was curious to see what her response after the fact. That she did not predict possibly the greatest tragedy in US history and then backtracked once it was known is very telling. Thank you for putting that info out there.

you're very welcome! And welcome to the forum!
 
Here's the link to the article in question: http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/browneandchristianity.shtml

I can't see much wrong with it.

Not everyone goes to the other side. Dark entities apparently don't. That might be a slight over-statement.

Second, they do venerate Jesus. Sylvia refers frequently to him as Our Lord and affords him some status on the other side. However, she believes in a watered-down New Age version of Jesus, which you cover accurately - He was a great teacher but is not God, he didn't die for anyone's sins, he didn't in fact die at all so he wasn't resurrected, he trained in Egypt during the "lost years," he was married.

ETA: HOORAY, Francine is back !!!!!!!! :)

I thought I ran it by you before posting it. It must have been another ex-Novus minister. When I write the update, I'll run it by you.
 
Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. :D

I completely agree that other articles on RSL's site that don't directly address her "psychic" abilities are relevant. They point out her character and lack of integrity. Ok, so she lies about smoking. No big deal. A lot of people do. Well, it is a big deal because if she's capable of lying about something so insignificant and provable, what makes you think she's not lying about more important things?

Of course she smokes- every time she travels somewhere, she packs so many cartons of cigarettes, it takes up a good portion of her suitcase. Then she'll lie about that and say she's carrying them for her assistant. How about the fact that she won't have an assistant or mate that doesn't smoke? That way she can blame the smell on the assistant/mate. How about the thousands of dollars that have had to be paid in hotel fees for smoking in non-smoking rooms? SHE JUST DOESN'T CARE. She thinks she's above any kind of rules or accountability. And where does the money come from to pay for it? Line up, victims! Sylvia has opened her schedule and her heart to offer you a reaming reading for $850 a pop.

She lies just to lie- the whoppers she comes up with blow your mind. I don't know why I personally believed her for so long but finally the rational part of my brain kicked in and said, "WTF are you thinking, Francine?!" I just hope more and more people can open up their eyes and realize what kind of a person she really is.

Robert- there has only been one response thus far to EE. I know he said that he gave you permission to post a condensed version here, but it looks like he posted about you word for word. Would you like me to paste everything here? He has posted everything in a public forum, I don't see why I can't.

As far as I know, Sylvia never said that she had a degree in History. That was a joke. But I certainly wouldn't put it past her.
 
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