Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas

[beachnut]

I he pretending to be a Gage spam bot. Ask questions, but can't support his own failed organization. He joined up with Gage, a fraud, who collects money from people too lazy to check out his claims to find out they are delusions. Now he comes asking questions which he said he already had the answers.

Who joins groups like Gage? Will Derek wake up before they drink the Kool-aid for real?

It would be neat if he could fill out the Lagrange equations to show us his side; but I think his engineering skills in support of 911 truth are so shallow we could walk on water if his skills were the lake.

He tells everyone he does not know what happen on 911, he is proving it by asking questions. He does tell the truth, he does not know what happen on 911; he opens his talks with this! No clue! Clueless Gage, misleading the clueless.

Will Derek tell us about thermite? What about the imaginary bad guys who did 911, the inside job side. He is defending the constitution, not doing engineering, this is all political junk for him. He is like Balsamo, he will defend the constitution and rid the world of the imaginary bad guys.


We have an engineer showing buildings that fell over and saying they fell in the path of least resistance, and then he says the WTC building fell in the Path of Greatest Resistance. Total nonsense. He is a fraud, engineers would not say this. Why does Derek say stupid stuff? His motivation -

I think our god wants justice - Derek on You-tube

He says because there is dust in the collapse of WTC7, it was CD. He never studied CD, so he has no clue how it is done. How does thermite do it? Silent explosives, can they do it? Crackomite? lol, poor Derek is lost.

He says there are pools of molten iron, at WTC7, and that makes it CD. No pools were found, but he says there were pools of molten iron. Fe! Is this the thermite card coming up?

This is to discuss his ideas, but he is stuck on questions he already has the answer to. OK

 

[Oystein]

And how many times have I asked the same questions and how many have gone unanswered or severely underanswered?

Come come Oystein, step right up. ...

I did step right up a long time ago.
I answered what I could, and I didn't answer what I could not, and I told that I could not.
There is no shame in not being able to answer a question.

If you were not happy with my answers, argue them. Don't just handwave (and handwaving you do in the most condescending and arrogant way.)


I did my dues.
Time for you to do yours: Answer our questions, for example the 7 pictures of molten somethings ("what is this"). Answer, or admit that you can't!

 

[Oystein]

No, you explain how. You're one of TFK's mighty twoof debunkers, right?...

Only claims get debunked.

If you want to enjoy a thorough debunking, make a claim!
Don't run around JAQing off.

JAQing is the coward's way.
Confident engineers make claims. (And provide evidence)






(Hint: Your friend Jason, telling 6 years later that he overheard a lot od 2nd-hand guessing is not evidence)

 

[Oystein]

I was invited here to ask these. TFK told me that you all were "more than able" or something to that effect.

And a lot time has passed. You, TFK and others have done nothing more than convince me that you're all talk.

Once again, the questions beachnut, please. Thank you.

Answers have been given.
You did not like them.
Fine.

The thread title reads " Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas".
What are your ideas? So far, we only see doubts.
Doubts are fine.
Not liking answers is fine.

But if you don't like the answers, provide your own.
And tell us those ideas, please.

 

[Oystein]

In 14,000+ JREF postings, I'd expect that you'd be able to answer my easy questions. Will you? Will anyone?

Your questions are ill posed. They are loaded with assumptions.
Post your questions an precise way, the engineering way. Make sure your assumptions are clear.

Then we might be talking.

Better yet: Make claims!
Better yet: Provide an alternative hypothesis!
Inb other words: Tell us your ideas, give us your answers!
Then we are talking.


If however you think just asking questions is the way to go, and you expect answers, then it is only fair that you answer questions yourself.
We see you are fiercly determined not to answer questions. Snotty boy.

 

[Oystein]

Again, I agree with you on getting NIST to reveal, no argument.
...

Just asking questions is not an argument.
Simply disagreeing with a statement is not an argumente.

An argument is the exchanged of reasoned propositions.

So please provide answers and claims, and give reasons. Other than "I can't understand".

 

[Chuck Guiteau]

I’ve been reading as much of this thread as time will allow and I still haven’t read an answer to “The Question That Brings Ultimate Fear Into The Heart of All CT’ers”, so I’ll ask it myself. And since you seem very insistent that specific questions be answered I’ll hold you to your own standard.

Can you provide a technically viable method of performing a CD on the World Trade Center that is consistent with all the known facts? Without that basic starting point you have nothing.

I’m not an engineer, I have no degrees in Chemistry, Theoretical Physics, or Comparative Religion, but I am a retired investigator with twenty two years experience in that field.
The entire CT cult has , so far, failed to provide two absolutely necessary elements for even making a claim that anything other than 19 fanatic Muslims terrorists utilizing hijacked planes brought down the buildings in question.

The first one being you cannot claim a crime has been committed (and certainly not demand an exorbitantly expensive and labor intensive investigation, as some have) until you can at least show how it is possible to have committed the crime in the first place.

I’ll ask again:
Can you provide a technically viable method of performing a CD on the World Trade Center that is consistent with all the known facts?

 

[ozeco41]

...I’ll ask again:
Can you provide a technically viable method of performing a CD on the World Trade Center that is consistent with all the known facts?

There has to be a prima facie case - a "case to answer" otherwise:

"I submit there is no case to answer your honour."

 

[leftysergeant]

I get that you think that thermite was used to demolish WTC 7, but I have still not seen you present a single piece of convincing evidence to that effect, nor, for that matter, have I seen any faintest clue that you would even know how to construct a thermite charge that would destroy a vertical column.

Would you mind telling us what possible composition of thermite would be used for such a task and just how it could have been applied prior to the attack without someone's noticing that some people were in the buildings doing wierd things to the columns?

And don't try to BS me. I have credentials in this stuff.

 

[T.A.M.]

Lefty;

Derek has proven to me and others over the last day, that if he is an engineer (which I still doubt based on his replies) he is not a very good one. Now I could be wrong on this, and I leave it to Derek to stop his preschool posting style and merely engage tfk, on this forum in a dialog and answer questions tfk has, just as he is asking tfk to do, so he can prove me wrong

I suspect we'll be watching a self-destruction instead...

TAM

 

[bill smith]

I’ve been reading as much of this thread as time will allow and I still haven’t read an answer to “The Question That Brings Ultimate Fear Into The Heart of All CT’ers”, so I’ll ask it myself. And since you seem very insistent that specific questions be answered I’ll hold you to your own standard.

Can you provide a technically viable method of performing a CD on the World Trade Center that is consistent with all the known facts? Without that basic starting point you have nothing.

I’m not an engineer, I have no degrees in Chemistry, Theoretical Physics, or Comparative Religion, but I am a retired investigator with twenty two years experience in that field.
The entire CT cult has , so far, failed to provide two absolutely necessary elements for even making a claim that anything other than 19 fanatic Muslims terrorists utilizing hijacked planes brought down the buildings in question.

The first one being you cannot claim a crime has been committed (and certainly not demand an exorbitantly expensive and labor intensive investigation, as some have) until you can at least show how it is possible to have committed the crime in the first place.

I’ll ask again:
Can you provide a technically viable method of performing a CD on the World Trade Center that is consistent with all the known facts?

Hello Chuck. As near as I can tell this theory of mine absolutely explains a lot of the mechanics of the collapse and conforms to most if not all of the known facts. (Not the known assumptions mind ; The known facts)

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6334844&postcount=999 hyperlink

You will have to follow my posts ftom the one in the hyperlink to see the whole picture. Don't worry, they are clear and fairly short. So would you like to turn that investigator's instinct and decades of experience loose and see if together we cannot set the theory in stone ?

 

[leftysergeant]

See no evil DGM. The hands over the eyes. The looking the other way....you never heard of this ? Money...no pension...threats to family ? Are you still saying impossible you silly boy ?

Why do you think firefighters and cops would be as craven as you and would shut up about the murder of their brothers to save their own careers? It would be as stupid as it is unmanly.

But I guess that goes over your head and hits you in the belly button.

 

[T.A.M.]

Lefty...it is likely classical "projection" of how they know they would likely react in a similar situation. They rarely factor in that not all men are created equal especially the heroic and honorable men and women that fight fires and practice law enforcement.

TAM

 

[BigAl]

See no evil DGM. The hands over the eyes. The looking the other way....you never heard of this ? Money...no pension...threats to family ? Are you still saying impossible you silly boy ?

More than 800 first-responders have died since 2002. Any one of them could have, in their last days called in the press reporters and placed blame and named names of the people you believe are responsible for the murder of 342 of their friends and workmates.

Any one of them could have written a book to be published only after the author's death.

Nobody has done any such thing.

You are a coward that accuses the thousands of people that were at WTC of being liars.

 

[aggle-rithm]

If there was an engineer looking for a job, say, and when I asked her to answer a technical question or explain the reasoning behind her own questions, she insisted first that I answer a bunch of questions... and just kept repeating them, over and over...

... she'd be looking for a long, long time.

Just sayin'.

Even if she gets the job, she won't win many allies criticizing existing designs by asking nonsense questions, rather than trying to understand them or producing something herself.

Arrogance and ignorance are a bad combination, and Derek has both in spades.

 

[excaza]

See no evil DGM. The hands over the eyes. The looking the other way....you never heard of this ? Money...no pension...threats to family ? Are you still saying impossible you silly boy ?

Oh please, this isn't Jimmy the Street Thug's corner crack dealing ring.

 

[leftysergeant]

You mean maybe it's still there ? Covered up ? Or covered over you mean maybe ? If somebody had the equipment for measuring a large magnetic anomaly they might find it to this day.

Again, you are implying that cops, fire fighters and iron workers are such craven cowards that they would ignore evidence that their brothers had been murdered, or that they themselves just managed to escape being murdered.

When you try to intimidate a real man, he is more likely to get pissed off and do everything in his power to destroy you, and there were a lot of them who hated Rotten Rudy with a passion before he was made to look like an idiot for putting the OEM where it was.

Speaking from personal experience, fire fighters are, generally, REAL MEN.

I know,. Alien territory for most twoofers.

( Or maybe they just cut it up with thermal lances and took it away.)

 

[aggle-rithm]

3. ...How did those WTC 7 floor 13 framing beams both buckle and push the intersecting 79 to 44 girder (with or without shear studs, depending on which NIST report you read) off its seat @ column 79? How exactly?

If you know the answers to questions like this, then you're just playing games. If you don't, then you're not qualified to critique the NIST conclusions.

 

[bill smith]

More than 800 first-responders have died since 2002. Any one of them could have, in their last days called in the press reporters and placed blame and named names of the people you believe are responsible for the murder of 342 of their friends and workmates.

Any one of them could have written a book to be published only after the author's death.

Nobody has done any such thing.

You are a coward that accuses the thousands of people that were at WTC of being liars.

I will post this hyperlink as often as you make it necessary Al and others.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6328555&postcount=3336 hyperlink

 

[The Big Dog]

Derek still "asking questions"?

Somebody send me a note and let me know if he ever does anything to seek judicial review.