Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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RedIbis said:
It wasn't my claim, but I appreciate your proving my point. Please refer this to S of T. He's under a massive delusion that WTC 7 was the largest office bldg fire in history.
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Actually it is your claim since you seem to be stuck on this "fully involved all 47 floors" theory with WTC7.

If you count WTC 1 & 2 & 7, together they were the largest office building fires in human history. So he's not "delusional" as you might think he is Red.
 
sabretooth47 said:
Um...and what do you think "fires ignited" means versus "burned"?

You imply that something can "ignite" without "burning"...and you wonder why no one takes you seriously. :confused:
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That is one of RedIbis' more nonsensical, "Wtf?"-inducing statements.

Although, perhaps the flow of time within the space immediately surrounding the ignition point suddenly came to a halt at the very moment of ignition.
 
bill smith said:
The malice aforethought doesn't matter at this time. We will easily prove that when the time comes. But first we need the investigation.. That's why I wrote the following..

'' In answer to a question on the subject he [Wilkerson] said that theoretically speaking there should be a new 9/11 investigation. But that practically speaking they would just fix it and find themselves innocent.

I am not planning to go back and check the time stamp right now either. I can only suggest that people watch the interview for themselves.
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Starts at about 16:33 , bill
You state:
"he [Wilkerson] said that theoretically speaking there should be a new 9/11 investigation. But that practically speaking they would just fix it and find themselves innocent.
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Well no that is not what he said. He said that the persons who would have to implement the recommendations "punative or ameliortive in nature" and the same people who are in gov't now and that they will not do it or do it in a perfunctory way.

That is NOT saying that the commission would find people innocent. You are again caught twisting Wilkerson's words into something you want him to be saying rather than being correct in what he actually said.
First you said that Wilkerson stated that the 911 Commission was 60% wrong and I pointed out that you were mis-stating what he said and now this.

Why do you do that, bill?
 
Hmmm, seems bill has decided to take a break from this thread and concentrate on the 'Derek Johnston' one instead.

So I know no other debunker has commented on the Wilkerson interview but surely bill is not alone in believeing that something Wilkerson said bolsters a 911 conspiracy.

Floor's wide open, MM, RedIbis, Jihad Jane, anyone?
 
jaydeehess said:
Hmmm, seems bill has decided to take a break from this thread and concentrate on the 'Derek Johnston' one instead.

So I know no other debunker has commented on the Wilkerson interview but surely bill is not alone in believeing that something Wilkerson said bolsters a 911 conspiracy.

Floor's wide open, MM, RedIbis, Jihad Jane, anyone?
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Surely there are better ways of getting a laugh?
 
I need help with three Spanish and Japanese 9/11 books

Do the titles of these books suggest they are Truther woo or not? Has anyone read them?

(Cut and pasted from http://www.nypl.org/blog/2010/09/11/9-11-01-materials-available-nypl)

21-seiki no sensō
Bungei Shunjū hen
Bungei Shunj, 2001
Jpn 327.117 Nijuisseiki

9.11 : Seputenbā irebunsu : ano hi kara Amerikajin no kokoro wa dō kawatta ka
Reizei Akihiko.
Shgakukan, 2002
Jpn 973.931 Reizei, Aki

11-S: historia de una infamia: las mentiras de la "version oficial"
Bruno Cardeñosa.
Corona Borealis, 2003
Spa 973.931 C
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Disbelief said:
So that is 6 floors that are fully involved. Each floor of WTC7 had about 4366 sqm of space. So, just those 6 floors cover 26,196 sqm. Compare that to Windsor Tower that had a total of 20,000 sqm for the entire building. Can you tell which is larger?

ETA Office area based off of wikipedia.
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I see Red is back, so is this good enough for you? Any rebuttal?
 
ozeco41 said:
Surely there are better ways of getting a laugh?
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yeah, that's why the "Comedy Network" was launched.

Point is that for bill, and JJ, and others, the political motive and will of the persons in power is the absolute end game proof of conspiracy in the events of Sept 11/01. Sure they argue the technical details and get proved wrong every time but the reason they keep coming back is their steadfast belief that TPTB are conspiring against the world's population and thus giant events such as this must be the result of grand conspiracies.

This video interview of Wilkerson directly addresses the top level people of the GWB administration and how they behaved. Even bill, who posted the link in the first place, will not actually discuss what Wilkerson was saying during the 29 minutes the interview runs. Instead he chooses to twist and manipulate what Wilkerson says in a few out of context quotes, and paraphrase them into something that Wilkerson simply did not say.

bill's manipulation of Wilkerson's words is irony at its finest. Wilkerson, several times, describes how members of the GWB administration did much the same thing with the raw intelligence they were receiving, as bill does with what Wilkerson says.
 
ozeco41 said:
Surely there are better ways of getting a laugh?
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More thoughts on this topic.

I could be wrong but did you and I not recently explain to one 911 conspiracy believer that we choose to discuss the technical aspecxts over the political ones?

In watching the Wilkerson video I step out of my comfort zone and into that which the conspriracy believer in that thread wanted to discuss.

Despite this I cannot now get one of them to now discuss that exact topic.
The only explanation that now comes to mind is that bill, having realized that his take on Wilkerson's statements is wrong and any others who are that side of the debate also having watched it and come to the realization that it in no way supports their contentions, have chosen to fall silent because admitting it is so is tantamount to heresey.
 
This is especially for Jammonius. I ran acroass this new video with some startling new information. I make no claims for it but I thought that you and others might be interested,

There are so many bits of video suddenly appearing that I am highly suspicious of it all .

http://www.richplanet.net/911.php
 
240-185 said:
Faiz Khan, the guy who wants to build his cultural center near Ground Zero, is a heavy twoofer according ti the NY Post.

Has this subject been already discussed?
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SInce we must be fair, to both truther and debunker alike, I will just suggest that you look a little deeper into WHO is the "guy" who wants to build the cultural center...it is not him. He is an associate at best, who has given talks at the center twice, according to the article you linked to.

TAM:)
 
City Commission captive audience to 6 minutes of WTC-7 Collapse video.'

'' Gainesville Florida, 9/16/2010: Seven members of the City Commission were captive audience, obliged to witness the collapse of WTC-7 over and over. A continuous loop showing the collapse from 2 cameras commanded jaw-dropping attention of the Commission, City Manager and gallery for 6 full minutes.'

http://911blogger.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyJl9BvA3g0&feature=player_embedded#! video
 
bill smith said:
City Commission captive audience to 6 minutes of WTC-7 Collapse video.'

'' Gainesville Florida, 9/16/2010: Seven members of the City Commission were captive audience, obliged to witness the collapse of WTC-7 over and over. A continuous loop showing the collapse from 2 cameras commanded jaw-dropping attention of the Commission, City Manager and gallery for 6 full minutes.'

http://911blogger.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyJl9BvA3g0&feature=player_embedded#! video
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Did you even bother to watch that video?

First of all, who gives a **** about playing the WTC7 video to the City Commission of Gainesville, FL.

Second of all, the members of the commission couldn't care less what those characters were talking about. Jawdropping? I would say "yawning" would be the more appropriate term.

Third, the clip of WTC7 played only once for about 10 seconds...and the clip was edited to omit the 10-20 seconds before the collapse started.

Don't post anymore of this crap...
 
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