Merged Lloyd England: Eye of the Storm

[DGM]

I know people misremember things. The crucial point is that Lloyd seemed to immediately change his own location when he was told about the NoC witnesses.

It could be coincidence and confusion but do you really think so? Lloyd suddenly placed himself further NORTH as soon as he found out that witnesses had placed the plane NORTH of the citgo station.

How is that "crucial"? The pictures show where he was (not NOC). What hew recalls is irrelevant. Unless you want to say the pictures a fake. Get it?

 

[Brainache]

And here we see the sooper sekret CIA Black Ops class of '09 on a routine surveillance mission:

 

[Mangoose]

The crucial point is that Lloyd seemed to immediately change his own location when he was told about the NoC witnesses.

It could be coincidence and confusion but do you really think so? Lloyd suddenly placed himself further NORTH as soon as he found out that witnesses had placed the plane NORTH of the citgo station.

That's precisely why leading questions are to be avoided in proper investigations.

 

[TokenMac]

Can you explain this exchange between Craig and Lloyd?

England: I wasn’t supposed to be involved with this, this is too big for me, man, this is a big thing. This is a world thing happening, I’m a small man…I’m not supposed to be involved in this. This is for other people, people who have money and all this kind of stuff.

Ranke: Your point that these people who have all the money…

England: This is their thing.

Ranke: This is their event.

England: This is for them.

Ranke: Meaning they’re doing it for their own reasons…

England: (with conviction) That’s right. I’m not supposed to be in it.

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Ranke: They must have planned it.

England: It was planned.


England: You know what history is? It’s not the truth. It’s “his story.” Has nothing to do with the truth.

This exchange is a bit puzzling, no? It certainly explains why he might arouse the curiosity of conspiracy theorists.

I certainly agree that to a CTist this would be very intriguing, but as a skeptic what I find intriguing is why the CIT stopped there.

Why didn't they ask who the "they" were, who "involved" England, Where is England's evidence, and Who is "he" and what is "his story"?

Also why would Ranke say "They must have planned it", that was just leading England and, not exactly the best way to investigate IMHO.

 

[Scott Sommers]

How is that "crucial"? The pictures show where he was (not NOC). What hew recalls is irrelevant. Unless you want to say the pictures a fake. Get it?

Exactly! 99% of folks would watch this and figure they'd just confused the poor guy with their interegation. What do our Truther friends figure this demonstrated? You wonder why they can't get more than a couple of dozen high school students out to their rally? I think their 'investigation' speaks for itself.

 

[JSSTyger]

The following was the exact conversation, word for word, that Lloyd and CIT had while in the car.

This conversation would make zero sense if Lloyde was talking about him being "in it" meaning he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Please, take the time to realize this before commenting. He even says that "history" is "his story"...that seals the deal about what he is talking about. He says "it was planned" too when asked about him and the plane "coming across the highway together". Does it make sense for Lloyde to mean that Hani Hanjour timed it so he'd wreck his taxi? NO...of course not.

Think a little bit. Take in the whole context of the conversation.

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Lloyd England: No, I wasn't supposed to be involved with this. This is too big for me man. This is a big thing. Man, you know this is a world thing happening. I'm a small man. You know. My lifestyle is completely different from this. I'm not supposed to be involved in this. This is for other people...people who have money and all this kind of stuff.

Interviewer: So you point that these people that have all the money...

Lloyd: This is their thing!

Interviewer: This is...this is their event?

Lloyd: This is for them

Interviewer: Meaning they're doing it for their own reasons

Lloyd: That's right! I'm not supposed to be in it.

Interviewer: But they used you right?

Lloyd: I'm in it

Interviewer: Yeah? You're in it?

Lloyd: Yeah...we came....we came across the highway together.

Interview: You and their (inaudible)?

Lloyd: That's right...

Interview: Well they must have planned it then

Lloyd: It was planned.

Interviewer: They meant for you to be there, didn't they...

Lloyd: No...no they didn't mean for me to be there.

Lloyd: Do you know what "history" is? "History" is "his" "story". It has nothing to do with the truth. It's HIS STORY!

 

[TJM]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137237

 

[Evilgiraffe]

Well, there's no leading questioning there. No Sir.

 

[alexi_drago]

Lloyd has no obligation to tell the nuts the truth and he will no doubt have seen all the crap they come up with. There's a few funny moments in some of his interviews that are jumped on as suspicious, I reckon he's just playing with them, I certainly would if they kept pestering me..

 

[Bell]

Well, there's no leading questioning there. No Sir.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Eta: As opposed to the interviewer putting words in Lloyd's mouth.

 

[beachnut]

The following was the exact conversation, word for word, that Lloyd and CIT had while in the car.

...!

When you say CIT, you have posted pure moronic claptrap.

What was your point? Do you have a point? Looks like 19 terrorists did 911 and CIT are still the worse investigators in the known universe.

You could not figure out flight 175, you think David C has some evidence, and now you think CIT have something. ?

What was your point? Is it better than your last failed idea? (Abolute proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2)

What does 911 truth do after 9 years of failure and zero evidence; they fail again. What was the point of posting idiotic CIT junk?

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Think a little bit. Take in the whole context of the conversation.

...!

It shows how bad CIT is at interviewing witnesses. What major moronic delusion came from this interview?

 

[The Big Dog]

Think a little bit. Take in the whole context of the conversation.

Curious that you chose to use the word "context" and then intentionally failed to provide any.

Here is some context, Lloyde was arguing that he was never in the place where he was photographed on 9/11, and even Shakey Craig and Aldo "The Buffet Slayer" knew he was not making any sense.

How are the Mutts lately, anyhow? I heard Shakey was taking his girlfriend on a trip to Europe.

 

[TJM]

How are the Mutts lately, anyhow? I heard Shakey was taking his girlfriend on a trip to Europe.

Well there's that and Craig's new gig with the Kleenex folks:

 

[Bell]

This thread needs more animated GIFs

 

[JSSTyger]

When you say CIT, you have posted pure moronic claptrap.

What was your point? Do you have a point? Looks like 19 terrorists did 911 and CIT are still the worse investigators in the known universe.

You could not figure out flight 175, you think David C has some evidence, and now you think CIT have something. ?

What was your point? Is it better than your last failed idea? (Abolute proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2)

What does 911 truth do after 9 years of failure and zero evidence; they fail again. What was the point of posting idiotic CIT junk?


It shows how bad CIT is at interviewing witnesses. What major moronic delusion came from this interview?

Talk like a normal person why don't you. I've never seen one post from you that is in the least bit classy. Face it. The 9-11 Commission itself says it was insufficient. But you'll take it. You'll accept bad information and faulty evidence. Thank god there are secret hangars that store evidence you will never see. That way you can cheerfully claim that it wasn't "all" shipped over seas. Thank goodness they found plane parts up to 8 miles from the Flight 93 crash site (which, to this day is still the most barren crash site I've seen). Doesn't matter that Rumsfeld said "it" was shot down (which is more what the evidence really shows). Was it flight 93? Maybe..maybe not...but whatever it was...it didn't touch the ground and create the smallest crater known to man.

I'm sure you can forgive me for not believing all of that hogwash. I'm sure, at least on the surface, that you agree it looks to be complete hogwash. CT'ers are born not from "morons" as you so believe, but from half-ass investigations (aforemenetioned 9-11 Commish), obvious unwillingness of GWB to testify alone (9-11 Commission), and of course for many other reasons.

If you were Bush, why would you deny the commission a solo interrogation? There's only one reason why.

So you see, 9-11 is a complex government fairy tail.

Why you-or any JREF'er for that matter-accept such an utter lack of care for the world's biggest crime ever, I'll never understand. I don't care if you buy the 19-arab hi-jacker story. Don't you want to have that one photo that shows the south side of WTC 7 after the tower 1 collapse? Come on. They keep releasing photos and videos and its 2010. You know there are more. Don't you want the other Pentagon security videos of the flight they foresaw coming a minimum of 5 minutes in advance? The Pentagon can't get eyes in the sky with a quick phone call from Dick Cheney?

Its doesn't make sense, so you see, CT'ers are not of "morons". They are made of people who know what BS is. Even when Obama busts the CIA's balls for use of illegal interrogation methods and guantanamo...you guys still sit back and say...well what does that prove? The hands go in the air at this point.

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[beachnut]

... Thank god there are secret hangars that store evidence you will never see.

Your paranoid conspiracy theories are not limited to 911. Good for you! You have as much evidence, may be less than Bigfoot groups have.

... That way you can cheerfully claim that it wasn't "all" shipped over seas.

How does this help your failed delusions on 911? Better step up and get some evidence for your failed claims.

... Thank goodness they found plane parts up to 8 miles from the Flight 93 crash site (which, to this day is still the most barren crash site I've seen).

Wow, you spew lies about Flight 93. Why? Please show me what was 8 miles away. Make my day; you can't!

... Doesn't matter that Rumsfeld said "it" was shot down (which is more what the evidence really shows). Was it flight 93? Maybe..maybe not...but whatever it was...it didn't touch the ground and create the smallest crater known to man.

Sorry, the FDR shows Flight 93 in one piece flown into the ground by terrorists. Wrong again, your claims are all wrong; how do you do it. Flight 93 impact area is what a high speed impact looks like; failure follows your every idiotic opinion. 600 mph impact, verified by the FDR buried many feet in the impact crater. OOPS

... I'm sure you can forgive me for not believing all of that hogwash.

You have to call reality hogwash to have your moronic delusions. Good one. Got me, again. Wow, is the Pulitzer Prize yours>?

... I'm sure, at least on the surface, that you agree it looks to be complete hogwash.

I was trained to investigate aircraft accidents; you were not. I flew heavy jets since 1976; I know flying, and I am an engineer, I can't find any thing that does not support 19 terrorists doing 911. You need more knowledge and experience.
Your failed claims are hogwash, and delusions.

... CT'ers are born not from "morons" as you so believe, but from half-ass investigations (aforemenetioned 9-11 Commish),

Your ideas are moronic hogwash. 911 truth are not morons, their ideas on 911 are moronic delusions. Hundreds of studies, investigation, and papers were done about 911 which refute your lies; you have a very narrow view of 911. Is this why you have massive delusions on 911?

... obvious unwillingness of GWB to testify alone (9-11 Commission), and of course for many other reasons.

Bush did not do 911, he is the President; he does not have to testify!

... If you were Bush, why would you deny the commission a solo interrogation? There's only one reason why.

If I were president, why would I have to testify to anyone? I would not be above the law, but I did not do 911. Don't need Bush to understand why 911 happened. Do you?

... So you see, 9-11 is a complex government fairy tail.

CIT has moronic claims, they are the fantasy nuts. You can't figure out 911 after 9 years, I am not surprised you think reality is a fairytale, you think your idiotic delusions are reality. A flyover? 93 shot down; lol

... Why you-or any JREF'er for that matter-accept such an utter lack of care for the world's biggest crime ever,

More nonsense. You can't figure out 911, I figured it out on 911. Flight 93 passengers figured out 911 in minutes; you can't get it right after 9 years.

... I'll never understand.

You will if you gain knowledge; for instance Flight 93 impact is what a 600 mph aircraft impact looks like. Why can't you figure it out?

... I don't care if you buy the 19-arab hi-jacker story.

19 terrorists killed pilots, and crashed 4 planes; complex plot, complex skills. Skills needed, cutthroats, fly planes; BTW, a kid off the street can fly a 757/767 into buildings without training. It is a fact, and you have to make up lies.

... Don't you want to have that one photo that shows the south side of WTC 7 after the tower 1 collapse? Come on.

Don't need it, I have talked to people who saw WTC 7 on fire, on 911, they walked right by WTC 7. Do you have a point?

... They keep releasing photos and videos and its 2010. You know there are more. Don't you want the other Pentagon security videos of the flight they foresaw coming a minimum of 5 minutes in advance?

All the DNA of flight 77 passengers were in the Pentagon. You need video? Why does a building have a video aimed at the sky? lol

... The Pentagon can't get eyes in the sky with a quick phone call from Dick Cheney?

lol, you make up junk as you go.

... Its doesn't make sense, so you see,

Your claims make no sense, and you have no evidence to support them.

... CT'ers are not of "morons".

Their ideas are!

... They are made of people who know what BS is.

Yes, they are experts at spewing BS.

... Even when Obama busts the CIA's balls for use of illegal interrogation methods and guantanamo...

And this has what to do with 911?

... you guys still sit back and say...well what does that prove? The hands go in the air at this point.

Yes, that is all 911 truth does, ask questions, raising their hands, incapable of doing their own research and making rational conclusions.

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Up the What? TV? lol, you make a crude joke and you are the one who is making up delusions and buying 911 truth lies without question. TV?

 

[dafydd]

Talk like a normal person why don't you. I've never seen one post from you that is in the least bit classy. Face it. The 9-11 Commission itself says it was insufficient. But you'll take it. You'll accept bad information and faulty evidence. Thank god there are secret hangars that store evidence you will never see. That way you can cheerfully claim that it wasn't "all" shipped over seas. Thank goodness they found plane parts up to 8 miles from the Flight 93 crash site (which, to this day is still the most barren crash site I've seen). Doesn't matter that Rumsfeld said "it" was shot down (which is more what the evidence really shows). Was it flight 93? Maybe..maybe not...but whatever it was...it didn't touch the ground and create the smallest crater known to man.

I'm sure you can forgive me for not believing all of that hogwash. I'm sure, at least on the surface, that you agree it looks to be complete hogwash. CT'ers are born not from "morons" as you so believe, but from half-ass investigations (aforemenetioned 9-11 Commish), obvious unwillingness of GWB to testify alone (9-11 Commission), and of course for many other reasons.

If you were Bush, why would you deny the commission a solo interrogation? There's only one reason why.

So you see, 9-11 is a complex government fairy tail.

Why you-or any JREF'er for that matter-accept such an utter lack of care for the world's biggest crime ever, I'll never understand. I don't care if you buy the 19-arab hi-jacker story. Don't you want to have that one photo that shows the south side of WTC 7 after the tower 1 collapse? Come on. They keep releasing photos and videos and its 2010. You know there are more. Don't you want the other Pentagon security videos of the flight they foresaw coming a minimum of 5 minutes in advance? The Pentagon can't get eyes in the sky with a quick phone call from Dick Cheney?

Its doesn't make sense, so you see, CT'ers are not of "morons". They are made of people who know what BS is. Even when Obama busts the CIA's balls for use of illegal interrogation methods and guantanamo...you guys still sit back and say...well what does that prove? The hands go in the air at this point.

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Are you a qualified pilot,engineer or air accident investigator?

 

[Mr.Herbert]

The following was the exact conversation, word for word, that Lloyd and CIT had while in the car.

This conversation would make zero sense if Lloyde was talking about him being "in it" meaning he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Please, take the time to realize this before commenting. He even says that "history" is "his story"...that seals the deal about what he is talking about. He says "it was planned" too when asked about him and the plane "coming across the highway together". Does it make sense for Lloyde to mean that Hani Hanjour timed it so he'd wreck his taxi? NO...of course not.

Think a little bit. Take in the whole context of the conversation.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


Lloyd England: No, I wasn't supposed to be involved with this. This is too big for me man. This is a big thing. Man, you know this is a world thing happening. I'm a small man. You know. My lifestyle is completely different from this. I'm not supposed to be involved in this. This is for other people...people who have money and all this kind of stuff.

Interviewer: So you point that these people that have all the money...

Lloyd: This is their thing!

Interviewer: This is...this is their event?

Lloyd: This is for them

Interviewer: Meaning they're doing it for their own reasons

Lloyd: That's right! I'm not supposed to be in it.

Interviewer: But they used you right?

Lloyd: I'm in it

Interviewer: Yeah? You're in it?

Lloyd: Yeah...we came....we came across the highway together.

Interview: You and their (inaudible)?

Lloyd: That's right...

Interview: Well they must have planned it then

Lloyd: It was planned.

Interviewer: They meant for you to be there, didn't they...

Lloyd: No...no they didn't mean for me to be there.

Lloyd: Do you know what "history" is? "History" is "his" "story". It has nothing to do with the truth. It's HIS STORY!

Are you kidding me? Lloyd was clearly talking about the terrorists. He speaks of himself being a simple man with a simple life. Then... his life changes. It is too big for him...because he is used to the quiet life. He wasn't looking for fame. HE didn't want it. Was it planned? Uh...no #### it was planned.

"they meant for you to be there didn't they"

LMFAOOO really?

The CIT douche bags are done. That's why Ranke took it on the road this year. The US is not interested in his crap.

 

[Edx]

Are you kidding me? Lloyd was clearly talking about the terrorists. He speaks of himself being a simple man with a simple life. Then... his life changes. It is too big for him...because he is used to the quiet life. He wasn't looking for fame. HE didn't want it. Was it planned? Uh...no #### it was planned.

"they meant for you to be there didn't they"

LMFAOOO really?

The CIT douche bags are done. That's why Ranke took it on the road this year. The US is not interested in his crap.

Seeing as how Lloyd reads David Icke and is apparently into conspiracy theories I'm pretty sure he does think there is a conspiracy with 911, especially as the boyz had been pushing the idea on him for so long before he got to this section of the film.

Strange though that if this really was him admitting his involvement in a conspiracy on 911, why he only admitted it here and nowhere else. Why didnt the boys tell him straight out that he wasnt where he said he was, that the plane didnt hit the building and that he faked his car accident and the damage THEN see what he said? Instead the tip toe around his location and try and confuse the old man.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I had this same conversation with another Truther nut case a while ago.....in the thread I link to some inconvenient truths about CITs fantasy.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/flt93crash/messages/?listmode=1

The last post in the thread covers Lloyds "confession"

I learned a lot about the Pentagon on 911 from the debate and all of it pointed to CIT being a pair of crooks.