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Merged Lloyd England: Eye of the Storm

vinniem said:
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Its in their own video!!!

Before Lloyd knew the cameras were rolling he claimed that he was on the bridge, as soon as filming officially started he denied it, despite being shown irrefutable photo evidence that he was on the bridge.
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He also claimed he was in front of the Pentagon. (quoting from memory) "I dont care what you guys say I was in front of the Pentagon"

Doesn't it look like that to you?

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I don't see your point Edx. He specifically denied being on the bridge and said he was further up.
 
Edx said:
As in closer to the Pentagon?
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No, as in further north on the same road. Have you watched the film "National Security Alert"? If not, I would suggest you do. The portion where this occurs is towards the end of the movie.
 
I wonder how the NWO managed to get those light poles in the middle of the street like that without any of the surrounding cars noticing?
 
vinniem said:
Seems unlikely but in their recent film he is shown saying some very strange things when he doesn't think he is being filmed.

He says "I wasn't supposed to be involved.....this is too big for me" and "They planned it".

Make what you will of that.
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Make up delusions as CIT, or drop back to reality and see the evidence? CIT makes up lies based on supreme ignorance in many fields, the evidence proves 77 impacted the Pentagon and Lloyd was right here on 911, this is called evidence it was reality; 19 terrorists are reality, the products of CIT are pure stupidity.
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CIT make up lies, only a few fringe conspiracy minded people who refuse to use logical thinking and knowledge believe CIT's moronic nonsense.

CIT are selling DVD packed with stupid, that is why they make up junk. There are suckers who buy junk and bigger suckers who believe the junk of CIT.
 
vinniem said:
No, as in further north on the same road. Have you watched the film "National Security Alert"? If not, I would suggest you do. The portion where this occurs is towards the end of the movie.
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Yet he says at the time that you claim he is contradicting himself, that he doesnt care what Craig and Aldo are saying, he was "in front of the Pentagon". I just showed you pictures that show that's where he was.
 
Edx said:
Yet he says at the time that you claim he is contradicting himself, that he doesnt care what Craig and Aldo are saying, he was "in front of the Pentagon". I just showed you pictures that show that's where he was.
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But those pictures were shown to Lloyd and he denied he was where the pictures show him.

Pictures from the other angle show that Lloyd's taxi was on a bridge. Lloyd vehemently denies he was on the bridge and claims he was further along the road. He will not concede even when shown th photographs.

Before he thought he was being recorded he specifically says that someone photographed him on the bridge.
 
vinniem said:
But those pictures were shown to Lloyd and he denied he was where the pictures show him.

Pictures from the other angle show that Lloyd's taxi was on a bridge. Lloyd vehemently denies he was on the bridge and claims he was further along the road. He will not concede even when shown th photographs.

Before he thought he was being recorded he specifically says that someone photographed him on the bridge.
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So the photos are fake?
 
vinniem said:
No, as in further north on the same road. Have you watched the film "National Security Alert"? If not, I would suggest you do. The portion where this occurs is towards the end of the movie.
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There is no need to watch pure garbage made by CIT; you can save your dime and learn by making rational choices, being skeptical (of CIT since they are making up delusions to sell to the dumbed down audience of paranoid conspiracy theorists not looking for the truth but to be spoon fed poppycock until they wake up to think for themselves.), using evidence, and forming a rational view of what the frauds are doing.

If you don't believe flight 77 impacted the Pentagon then you can't take evidence and from rational conclusions, you will love CIT junk.

There is a bright side for those who believe CIT, after they make the climb out of the pit of ignorance where CIT set up operations, those former believers of pure idiotic delusions will be better at understanding fraud than others and they will respect their ability to gain knowledge and make rational conclusions based on evidence, real evidence not opinions made up by frauds like CIT.

vinniem said:
No the photos are real. It is Lloyd who claims they are fake.
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Your point? The photo trumps anything Lloyd says 5 years after 911.
No it is CIT messing up reality to fool idiots.

So you fell for the idiotic lies of CIT and don't believe 77 impacted the Pentagon. It is self critiquing; all you have to do now is collect the Pulitzer Prize since not a single dolt has taken the information and published it for real. Pulitzer Prize?

Why do you think CIT make up lies and say 77 did not impact the Pentagon when the entire plane and all the Passengers were found in the Pentagon?
 
DGM said:
Or is he just mistaken? Anyway you slice it the pole ended up in his cab south of the Citgo. Right?
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I don't think he can be mistaken.

He specifically said he was on the bridge, then Craig Ranke told him that 13 witnesses put the plane on a NoC flightpath and from then on Lloyd denied being on the bridge and said he was further North. When shown the photos, Lloyd claimed that photos don't always tell the truth.

Yes, the pole ended up in his cab.
 
vinniem said:
I don't think he can be mistaken.

He specifically said he was on the bridge, then Craig Ranke told him that 13 witnesses put the plane on a NoC flightpath and from then on Lloyd denied being on the bridge and said he was further North. When shown the photos, Lloyd claimed that photos don't always tell the truth.

Yes, the pole ended up in his cab.
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But the photos you say are real place him at a different place. Peoples memory is feeble, photos, not so much. Your self debunking!
 
vinniem said:
But those pictures were shown to Lloyd and he denied he was where the pictures show him.

Pictures from the other angle show that Lloyd's taxi was on a bridge. Lloyd vehemently denies he was on the bridge and claims he was further along the road. He will not concede even when shown th photographs.

Before he thought he was being recorded he specifically says that someone photographed him on the bridge.
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This is silly, Lloyd said I don't care what you guys say I was in front of the Pentagon. That's what the pictures show.

And like I said, he is a conspiracy theorist that reads David Icke books. Never did respond to that did you? Its in CIT's own damn film.

Could it be that years later two kids managed to slightly confuse an old man? Nah, thats just too simple for you I guess.

EDIT: I just check the exact quote from LLoyd is:

"I dont care what you do my car was at the Pentagon"

See? That's what the pictures show to me.
 
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DGM said:
But the photos you say are real place him at a different place. Peoples memory is feeble, photos, not so much. Your self debunking!
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I know people misremember things. The crucial point is that Lloyd seemed to immediately change his own location when he was told about the NoC witnesses.

It could be coincidence and confusion but do you really think so? Lloyd suddenly placed himself further NORTH as soon as he found out that witnesses had placed the plane NORTH of the citgo station.
 
vinniem said:
I know people misremember things. The crucial point is that Lloyd seemed to immediately change his own location when he was told about the NoC witnesses..
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Your claim is that when the cameras are rolling Lloyd says one thing and then when he thinks the cameras aren't rolling he says another.

But first you claim when the cameras aren't rolling he LIES...

... then later when the cameras arent rolling he TELLS THE TRUTH.

And later when you think he tells the truth you think he will just admit the entire conspiracy right there to these guys.

Shame they never asked him anything specific either.
 
vinniem said:
I know people misremember things. The crucial point is that Lloyd seemed to immediately change his own location when he was told about the NoC witnesses.

It could be coincidence and confusion but do you really think so? Lloyd suddenly placed himself further NORTH as soon as he found out that witnesses had placed the plane NORTH of the citgo station.
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It means that the idiots at CIT's claim that Lloyde is a super secret agent is ridiculously stupid. He lets them into his home on several occasions, shows them the car, gives them a gift of the sign from the top of the cab, is incredibly confused about where he was, and he is: THE SECRET LINCHPIN OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED FRAUD IN HUMAN HISTORY?

God, those guys are idiots.
 
vinniem said:
I know people misremember things. The crucial point is that Lloyd seemed to immediately change his own location when he was told about the NoC witnesses.
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which is leading the witness. 5 years later, old man, forgets what he saw. that is until 2 frauds twisted his words as they were interviewing him.

CIT did nothing but tamper with their witnesses by planting suggestions and using leading questions. THAT is not how you interview witnesses. They interviewed him with an agenda, and the answers he GAVE was what fit into their claims


I witnessed an accident; a car with two guys took out a light pole on the street we were traveling on. The light pole nearly hit our car as it fell and the car sped off. I quickly asked my friend to drive us to my place of work (nearby) and I called the police. I gave a description that the driver was wearing a light shirt (possibly white) and had brown hair. The car that he was driving was black 94 RX 7. The police took me to identify the driver at the place where they were able to stop him. I was totally wrong on the driver's description (he was actually wearing a dark grey shirt and had a crew cut hair). BUT, I was right about the car. This was in the span, at most of 45 minutes (between my witnessing the accident, and then taken by the police to identify the driver)

Point im making that witnesses can be WRONG about certain elements of an event, and be RIGHT about other parts. And personal bias can actually make you identify things more readily than other aspects.

I was mistaken on what the driver of the car looked like, but the police CONFIRMED that it was the car that caused the accident (I later learned that other witnesses identified the driver better than I did). Why I could identify the CAR better than the driver (down to year and model)? Because THAT was my interest. I can readily identify cars, even down to model year as that is what I am readily available to identify.

You also forget that it had been 5 years after the fact that Lloyd was recounting the event. in 5 years, he was witness to news reports, subjected to questions by media and investigators, read magazines and newspapers on the subject, and probably saw a few of the CT's surrounding 9/11/2001. We already know that Lloyd was suffering after that day. He lost his car, probably at the time his only means to earn a living, and that he was unemployed for most of the years following 9/11/2001. This all plays into how one will recount and event.


45 minutes after the accident, I misremembered what the driver looked like.

why would anyone expect an old man being questioned by 2 frauds to remember everything from an event that happened 5 years before?


Heck, when I showed up as a witness to the trial for the driver, HE looked nothing like the night I saw him. His hair had grown out and he was wearing a suit. Come to find out, he was a Marine, who got drunk that evening, and before he hit the light pole, he had side swiped 4 cars before taking out the pole that nearly hit us. LUCKILY , no one was injured in the mayhem he caused that night.
 
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