Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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RedIbis said:
You're cracking. It was not, nor has it ever been referred to as such. Post one source that makes such a claim. Neither Mackey, nor anyone else has ever provided evidence to support such hyperbole.
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You... accusing others of using hyperbole :eek::eye-poppi:eek:

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RedIbis said:
Absolutely ridiculous. And needless to say you have absolutely nothing to back up this claim. Persisting in refusing to admit the obvious out of partisan hackery makes you a liar.
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Look, I understand that you don't know what firefighting means or what firefighters do for a living Red. Quit calling people liars when they have proven you wrong.

Fires & the plane impacts is what caused both Towers to collapse & fire & damage from WTC1's collsapse caused WTC7 to collapse.

You have no reason to lie to anyone here, especially to firefighters.

So stop lying!
 
RedIbis said:
Can you? It's really not that hard to find if you try. Other than by a few fanatics on jref, WTC 7 is never called the largest office bldg fire in history.
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Great evidence Red, but that's what we have come to expect from you.
 
Well i think it would require, first, a definition of what the largest fire would be. I mean, are we talking surface area, total floors involved, what?

TAM:)
 
Disbelief said:
Great evidence Red, but that's what we have come to expect from you.
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Then back up S of T's claim. Show me one source other than jref that calls WTC 7 the largest office bldg fire in history. The Windsor and the Mandarin were much more severe office bldg fires.
 
RedIbis said:
And needless to say you have absolutely nothing to back up this claim.
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Another comment made despite already knowing it wasn't true. You've been shown the firefighter testimonies and the photos and video of smoke pouring from every floor of WTC7.

And it takes more than you accusing the firefighters of lying to prove that they were lying. Until you can provide of your claim that all of the firefighters were lying about the scale and severity of the WTC7 inferno, their testimony stands. Your are not God, Red. Your word is less than nothing to us.
 
RedIbis said:
Then back up S of T's claim. Show me one source other than jref that calls WTC 7 the largest office bldg fire in history. The Windsor and the Mandarin were much more severe office bldg fires.
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Why does it have to be outside of JREF? Mackey made the claim and presented evidence about the size of the fire at WTC7. All you need to do is use similar calculations to show that the Windsor or Mandarin were larger.
 
Firefighters saying about the fire in WTC7

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

Some of the firefighters were saying "fully involved all 47 floors" because smoke was pouring out the building at such a rate that it looked like or appeared to be burning on all 47 floors.

Firefighter Cassidy had this to say:

Because it really got going, that building Seven, saw it late in the day and like the first Seven floors were on fire. It looked like heavy fire on seven floors. It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block. –Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy
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Lt. Ryan had this to say:

I remember Chief Hayden saying to me, "We have a six-story building over there, a seven-story building, fully involved." At that time he said, "7 has got fire on several floors." He said, "We've got a ten-story over there, another ten-story over there, a six-story over there, a 13-story over there." He just looked at me and said, "F*** 'em all. Let 'em burn." He said, "Just tell the guys to keep looking for guys. Just keep looking for the brothers. We've got people trapped. We've got to get them out." –Lieutenant William Ryan
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Chief McCarthy had this to say:

I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY Chief Thomas McCarthy
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So Red, what's this about WTC7 being burned on all 47 stories when it clearly wasn't?
 
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T.A.M. said:
Well i think it would require, first, a definition of what the largest fire would be. I mean, are we talking surface area, total floors involved, what?

TAM:)
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I'm trying to find it, but Ryan Mackey did calculations that showed that the WTC7 fires covered more floor area than any other.
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
Another comment made despite already knowing it wasn't true. You've been shown the firefighter testimonies and the photos and video of smoke pouring from every floor of WTC7.

And it takes more than you accusing the firefighters of lying to prove that they were lying. Until you can provide of your claim that all of the firefighters were lying about the scale and severity of the WTC7 inferno, their testimony stands. Your are not God, Red. Your word is less than nothing to us.
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Show me one source that says WTC 7 was the largest office bldg fire in history.

I won't let you back down from this one.
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
So Red, what's this about WTC7 being burned on all 47 stories when it clearly wasn't?
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It wasn't my claim, but I appreciate your proving my point. Please refer this to S of T. He's under a massive delusion that WTC 7 was the largest office bldg fire in history.
 
bill smith said:
It is time to call a spade a spade. No more pussyfooting around the firefighters,If they lied then I will say they LIED. You debunkers will employ your usual rubbish cheap trick of saying that I mean ALL 9/11 firefighters when I have made clear that I mean a specific few. But I have long ago learned not to expect more here on the jref 9/11 subforum.

Knock yourselves out.
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You have stated that there was no inferno by agreeing with RedI's assessment in which he says as much.
Ok, fine, let's ask you for the shorter list then; that is of the firefighters who did not believe that WTC 7 had large offices fires, which could commonly be described as 'inferno'.

Can you supply a name of any firefighter directly involved with the operations in WTC 7 who does not believe that there were large area office fires in that structure?
 
Red, how many floors do you think were on fire in WTC7? Yes, I understand that I am asking you to speculate, but this is just for a paper napkin calculation.
 
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