Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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GT/CS said:
Every time a 'footer mentions 4x4 mode for added speed I laugh and try to imagine Patty in 4x4 mode. Holy Moses that would be funny to see!!
How can anyone with an ounce of common sense think Patty could gain speed by going 4x4?
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Well if one foot slips a little the power is automatically transferred to the other one.
 
Don Keating (you know, of the Ohio Keatings) will be transmutating his Bigfoot wisdom into paranormality as a speaker at a ghost conference.:
PARKERSBURG - Those interested in ghosts and other paranormal phenomena will gather in Parkersburg on the second weekend in September.

The 2010 Haunted West Virginia Ghost and Paranormal Conference will be 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Saturday at the Dils Center, 521 Market St. in downtown Parkersburg.......Keating has been interested in the Bigfoot phenomenon since 1984 and has conducted countless on-site investigations of alleged Bigfoot sightings and track discoveries. Keating also has been hosting his own Annual Bigfoot Conference in Eastern Ohio for a couple decades.
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Stay tuned... the sound of the wind blowing through the trees or that clunk in your attic may actually be a bigfoot. Will Salt Fork State Park be big enough for all these beings? Is Bob Gimlin a ghost whisperer? Inquiring minds want to know.....
 
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Has anyone ever been to a Bigfoot convention or symposium? Other than an accosional Guest speaker giving their opinions how real Mythical monsters are, What the hell goes on at these things? I can imagine people standing is small packs telling their stories trying to get 'one up' on who's encounter was more believable. Don't drink the cool-aid.
 
yes, I went to one last year. It's pretty much like you'd imagine. Nobody asks any challenging questions. Mostly the questions are like "did you ever see/hear (fill in the blank)? I saw/heard that once." Most everything is really about confirming the audience's beliefs...all the defensive talking points you see if you go to the BFF. Contempt for "Science" is pretty big. Speakers sell their books and cds at tables in the back. Autographed copies, etc. Trinkets.
The strangest part for me was the singer. Tribute songs to bigfoot and Patterson and Gimlin? or were they really hymns? It was kind of the fitting end to a semi-religious type conference.
speaking of meetings: here's a chuckle for today. I think this is an actual magazine. (#12 in the slide show).
 
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So Basically since no Tuff questions are ever asked. They just stand around and reaffirm the realism of thier encounters with each other. I take it there is no bigfoot evidence Booth at these things, but.... , "Step right up folks and get you plaster cast".
 
parnassus said:
Don Keating (you know, of the Ohio Keatings) will be transmutating his Bigfoot wisdom into paranormality as a speaker at a ghost conference.:
Stay tuned... the sound of the wind blowing through the trees or that clunk in your attic may actually be a bigfoot. Will Salt Fork State Park be big enough for all these beings? Is Bob Gimlin a ghost whisperer? Inquiring minds want to know.....
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Keating also dabbles in ghosts and UFO investigations and always has. He is also a accomplished amateur meteorologist He is just more well known in Bigfootry. The Bigfoot phenomenon has always been lumped in with the other paranormal topics much to most of our chagrin. Many paranormal conferences ask for a Bigfooter to speak at them. I have been asked to speak at a local one and declined. BTW, I am sure you are glad that comedy is not your profession.
 
WGBH said:
Ever think that maybe they have seen something and just do not want to come forward with it? If you had a grant to study ferns in the PNW, would you want to ruin that by saying you saw a Bigfoot?
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Argument from ignorance. Sorry. This lacks logical base.
 
old quote yes. I thought I was on the last page. Durf.

But an argument from ignorance alludes to what is not known as its evidence. What is not known is how many, or if any reports of bigfoot sightings have been quashed by social or professional pressures.
 
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WGBH said:
That works both ways...
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I know there hasn't been a fossil found from an anthropoid ape in North America, which would be expected if bigfoot were a real mammal, considering how many real mammals and dinosaurs and birds and arthropods have left fossils. It takes a lot of special pleading to overcome that discrepancy. But I'm only repeating the obvious and oft quoted.
 
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Let's face it, the theory of bigfoot makes logical predictions if bigfoot is a real mammal: prediction 1- eventually a fragment of bone, or a tooth or an occipital orbit or saggital crest or something hard has to turn up, and should have turned up by now considering the thousands of years since the last ice age, the amount of digging that's taken place all over N. America, and the number of people who purport to be looking for it.
 
Since you seem to be into fossils, can I ask you a few questions? They have only found a few teeth and a jaw bone from Gigantopithicus blacki correct? Have there been many fossils found from any of the great apes?

Oh, I like your avatar a lot.
 
WGBH said:
They have only found a few teeth and a jaw bone from Gigantopithicus blacki correct? Have there been many fossils found from any of the great apes?
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1) Yes.

2) Yes. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=great+ape+fossils&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35

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1) Gigantopithecus blacki (1 mya - 100 kya: Asia [China, Vietnam]) Possibly ~9' tall based on size of jawbone and teeth, but owing to wide interspecies differences in the relationship between tooth and body size, some argue G. blacki was much smaller, ~6'. Probably vegetarian; diet of bamboo, foliage, fruits, seeds. Canines neither pointed nor sharp, incisors small, close and peglike. Possibly bipedal owing to U-shape and width of jaw, though this is debated. Jawbone and teeth only specimens. Bamboo forests probable habitat, like that of modern panda. Probable descendant of Sivapithecus, but not believed to be ancestor of modern orangutan.

2) ...fossils representing many Miocene ape lineages have been found....

By 13 million years ago, a series of fossil apes from Europe and Asia show clear signs that they belong to the group including living great apes and humans.

Asia has produced a great quantity of great ape fossils from the Miocene up through the Pleistocene.

Fossil ape genera

Aegyptopithecus (likely ancestral catarrhine)

Proconsul

Afropithecus

Otavipithecus

Turkanapithecus

Dryopithecus

Ouranopithecus

Sivapithecus

Gigantopithecus

Ankarapithecus

Lufengpithecus

Oreopithecus

etc.

Source: (http://johnhawks.net/weblog/fossils/apes/fossil_ape_overview.html)
 
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The notion of a sometimes-quadrupedal Sasquatch gives rise to yet another conundrum which advocates must now rationalize.

Previously it was argued that hunters didn't shoot bipedal Bigfoots because they "looked too human." A large, fur covered quadruped looks like a bear, not a human, and so would be more likely to be a target for a bear hunter.

I think the BFRO's mangy bear promotion probably started this meme, but I can't be sure.
 
it is only quite recently that laws and "ethics" became part of the hunting/killing jargon. Homo sapiens was a pretty exuberant killer of everything that walked the earth, including his own species, for 99.99% of his existence, beginning with spears and traps. The Chinese invented firearms over 800 years ago. The rifle was invented nearly 500 years ago. For the past hundred years we have had weapons and propellants capable of bringing down elephants or prairie dogs from long range with a single shot, with comparatively little risk to the killer. Man's early motivation for killing may have been for food, hides, bones, and protection. But with the advent of more effective and "remote" devices, we have "progressed" to killing "for sport," ie for our amusement, "showing off", and collecting the biggest and most unusual possible specimens to grace the walls of our dens and museums. Any organism of any size that stood in the way of progress, safety, ranching, farming or recreation was hunted or poisoned to local extinction, with little or no interference until the last 50 years.

Yet in all of this, there is not a single proven body, hide, bone, blood, fossil, fingernail, or even a measly hair of a bigfoot, to show for "mankind's" bloody past.
 
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WGBH said:
Since you seem to be into fossils, can I ask you a few questions? They have only found a few teeth and a jaw bone from Gigantopithicus blacki correct? Have there been many fossils found from any of the great apes?

Oh, I like your avatar a lot.
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I share Stan Laurel's birthday.

The answer is yes. I agree There have been fossils of the great apes discovered, but no bigfoot. Even their earliest ancestors, the ramapithicoids have been studied.

Bigfoot also roams an area with a distinctly different geophysicial environment. There have been thousand of bears and mammoths and sabre-toothed cats found. Why no bigfoot? Not even at La Brea.

Giganto's teeth most closely resemble the orang. With all liklihood it was quadropedal. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to be a believer. But my agnosticism will remain resolute until there's a real scientific discovery is made.
 
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No, I am not arguing with you about the no Bigfoot fossil thing. I wanted to know about fossils of known great ape's and where to look for information about it.
 
Vortigern99 has already given a short but succinct list of ancestral apes in post #2994. A quick google search of any of those species should bring you in contact with an extract.

By the way: there are living apes in zoos all over the world. It isn't necessary to resort to dead ones for proof that they exist when we have so many live ones as evidence.
 
I guess this makes another 'bigfoot paradox'. If this animal exists then there must be bones and fossils that were misunderstood and misidentified. It could be beneficial to have All existing inventories (of all museums and universities) of bones classified as human or undetermined reexamined. I think that is actually a worthwhile pursuit with all of the advancement in biological sciences that has occured since the conquistadors first arrived in the Americas.
 
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