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Fact #3
Dick Cheney was the CEO for a company called Halliburton. During his tenure there, he gave a speech at the Institute of Petroleum that said, “while many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world’s oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow.”

On 10/11/2005, it was reported that the shares that Dick Cheney claimed he no longer had with Halliburton, rose 3281% in one yea
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So? Blame the attacks on Saudia Arabia then. Instead hey blamed a country that had been bombed back to the beginning of the last century by the Soviets, and invaded it, then they invaded another more modern country and managed to reduce its infrastructure and ability to contribute to the world to its position at the beginning of the last century as well.

Great plan!
 
jaydeehess said:
Hmmm but if an attack on the USA was to be designed to allow a war with Iraq, a casus belli, then the attacks of 911 really were badly designed for that purpose.
Fact- not one of the alledged hijackers was Iraqi
Fact- no ties between the alledged hijackers and the administration of Saddam Hussien was found. No money for the attacks came from Iraq.
Fact- AlQada was put forth as the organization that attacked the USA. AlQada was based in Afghanistan with a leader who has condemned Saddam in the past.
Fact- not once did Cheney or Bush put the blame for 911 on Saddam. In fact when accused of doing so they rightly say that they did not.

What the Bush administration did do was ride these attacks and mention them when speaking of Saddam inferring that he was as much a danger as the organization that actually did attack the USA.
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Nope. 63 seconds:



Of course this is completely irrelevant to what Jon Gold has written in his fact #2.
 
T.A.M. said:
Just a note here, that 9/11/2010 is less then two weeks away. I will be observing a posting silence for that entire day, and would encourage others to do the same. Spend your online time that day doing other things, or go visit a victims memorial site...

TAM:)
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Good idea. I also suggest that on Sept 10 we observe a moment's flatulence for the 9/11 Truth movmement.
 
Childlike Empress said:
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Hmm, youtube lists it as a 1minute and 2 second long clip CE.

In my world a minute consists of 60 seconds meaning that this clip contains no 63rd second.

Your bad math aside, Bush misquotes his own V.P. then.
The interviewer of Cheney states, and I'll assume he is correct, that the admin claimed that Atta(one guy) met with am Iraqi in Prague.

Now compare that to all the OTHER stuff that the admin and intelligence services were saying about the funding of the 911 hijackers. That all states that the funding was done through intermediaries none of which are linked to Iraq.

The other points I make are valid though and you do not bother with them at all.
NO IRAQI hijackers!
Bin Laden's verbal attacks on Saddam(seems to me that he actually put forth a plan to overthrow Saddam did he not)

I am not claiming that Bush did not want to go to Iraq or that he was looking for any excuse to do so. He was.
The people who do not believe the common narritive of sept 11/01 though are trying to extend that desire into a dedicated plan by that administration to kill thousands of US citizens to produce that excuse. It doesn't wash CE.
 
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bill, a while ago in this very thrtead IIRC you were going to show that coverage of a 911TM speech in Australia actually took place in the MSM.

Did I miss that? Wrong thread?
 
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Yeah, here it is;

bill smith said:
NEWSFLASH

Sydney 9/11 Event Creates Serious Main Stream Media Ripples!

Story by John Bursill
22nd of July, 2010

Australia's number one talk back Radio Station 2GB, have reported on the Prof. Niels Harritt Lecture on the 17th of July, 2010 at the Sydney Mechanic's School of Arts during their late night show with Brian Wilshire. Sydney's most popular late night show's regular guest, Prof. Keith Suter who attended the Harritt Lecture, has expressed his fascination with the issue of the World Trade Center 7 collapse on the afternoon of September 11, 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDZcRiRGRWE&feature=player_embedded

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/sydney-911-event-creates-serious-main-stream-media-ripples
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So aside from being a topic on one talk radio show,,, what other Main stream media aided in creating this 'ripple'?
 
jaydeehess said:
The people who do not believe the common narritive of sept 11/01 though are trying to extend that desire into a dedicated plan by that administration to kill thousands of US citizens to produce that excuse. It doesn't wash CE.
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Iraq was only one step in a scam called the "Global War on Terror", which is a global war to save the empire. It's not our fault that they messed up starting with Venezuela in 2002. Without 9/11, the story of Seattle and Genua would have continued very differently. Thanks to the outside boogeyman who most of you hilariously still believe to be in hiding with his dialysis machine, they won a decade.
 
I also asked more recently what the supposed connection was between the Pearl Jam song and the youtube song both of which contain the same phrase.

You gonna get around to 'splainin' that anytime soon?
 
Childlike Empress said:
Iraq was only one step in a scam called the "Global War on Terror", which is a global war to save the empire. It's not our fault that they messed up starting with Venezuela in 2002. Without 9/11, the story of Seattle and Genua would have continued very differently. Thanks to the outside boogeyman who most of you hilariously still believe to be in hiding with his dialysis machine, they won a decade.
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CE, there is a very thin line between reading between the lines and making stuff up based soley on political 'reasoning'.

BTW, don't blame GWB on me. I hate the guy and besides, Canadians don't get a vote in the USA.
 
jaydeehess said:
BTW, don't blame GWB on me. I hate the guy and besides, Canadians don't get a vote in the USA.
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I did not "blame Bush on you", i explained why they did not frame 9/11 directly on Iraqis (aside from insinuations by notorious liar Cheney and cohorts). Not surprised you don't like the answer.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Iraq was only one step in a scam called the "Global War on Terror", which is a global war to save the empire. It's not our fault that they messed up starting with Venezuela in 2002. Without 9/11, the story of Seattle and Genua would have continued very differently. Thanks to the outside boogeyman who most of you hilariously still believe to be in hiding with his dialysis machine, they won a decade.
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Did you know most of 911 truth thinks CIT are idiots and made up their claims out of ignorance. (just a note, like a drive-by note drop - I found out from our drive-by delusion post most of 911 truth thinks CIT are idiots; do you check your posts before you post work with links destroying your heroes in CIT?)

Save the empire? lol

What are you talking about? What did your country do to stop 911? Venezuela? Seattle, Genua?

UBL is just what to you? You seemed upset Saddam is gone, will you miss UBL too? They won a decade? What are you talking about? UBL has been a threat for many years before 911; he promised to kill Americans and targeting women and children is sanctioned by him. What a nice guy.

Is it the complex plot which has you unable to figure out 911? Which terrorist skill was harder? Cutting throats or flying jet, jets so easy to fly most American kids need no training at all to fly and hit targets better than the terrorists. Or was picking 4 flights that took off the same time the hardest skill? Without surprise the UBL plot fails as proved by heroes on Flight 93 who figure out 911 in minutes, a task you can't do in 9 years.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I told you to give it up. It doesn't work. Really not.
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You gave up on CIT? Good for you! Really good.

Your post of nonsense from Jon was great. He references other idiots in the movement with the same failed claims as he has. His references and sources have the same evidence he has; zero. It was expected; 911 truth has failed to progress after all these years.
 
What I fail to comprehend is that those persons who seem to have strong concerns about the political linkages of 9/11 to the War on Terror still support the "demolition" claims about WTC events.

Surely, given that they feel strongly about the political aspects, tying their case to dead set loser issues must be counter productive? Same point for the Pentagon no planers and the Shanksville shoot downers.

The core technical issues are readily debunked by that sector of community which has modest or better intelligence.

So it is only the mentally limited or gullible or otherwise committed CT's who will accept the technical 9/11 claims.

Who are the "political truthers" after for support? The more intelligent or the less?

Hanging in there with support for long lost technical arguments seems like an automatic dead end.
 
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That's quite exactly Jon Gold's position and i share his view to an extent. But fact is, the "truth movement" is not an organization, has no leader and nobody is able force the rest of the world to promote what they consider to be the key issues. As much as duhbunkies pretend that "we" have to apologize for every stupid statement by someone who also happens to realize that the crime of 9/11 isn't solved - that demand is and will ever be utter nonsense, fallacies of lazy minds. Same with the "alternative narrative" nonsense (a Mackey special).

Duhbunkies who are politically literate (a rare species, i admit) and aware of the facts outlined by Gold are guilty of aiding the cover-up, regardless of the truthfulness of the claims of Alex or Stephen Jones.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
That's quite exactly Jon Gold's position and i share his view to an extent. But fact is, the "truth movement" is not an organization, has no leader and nobody is able force the rest of the world to promote what they consider to be the key issues. As much as duhbunkies pretend that "we" have to apologize for every stupid statement by someone who also happens to realize that the crime of 9/11 isn't solved - that demand is and will ever be utter nonsense, fallacies of lazy minds. Same with the "alternative narrative" nonsense (a Mackey special).

Duhbunkies who are politically literate (a rare species, i admit) and aware of the facts outlined by Gold are guilty of aiding the cover-up, regardless of the truthfulness of the claims of Alex or Stephen Jones.
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Jon has a delusional conclusion; and you have nothing to back it up. There is no cover-up, you have joined other failed people on a failed mission of delusions. You don't have anything but stupid statements you think you can connect as evidence of a cover-up. You failed; 8 years of failure.

You have nothing, Jon has nothing. You have failed to make progress past the don't got anything mode. Otherwise you would post your evidence; it is absent; missing for 8 years.

Jon must be your leader, you posted his failed position as he requested; spreading his failed ideas. You share his views, you also share his evidence. The empty set.
 
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