Rolfe
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If Bedford was working to an SOP which required him to find and use AVE4041 specifically, and no other container, why did he come out with the stuff about birth-dates rather than simply saying that was the number of the container he had to select?
Quite simple. Lots of people remember things in such ways. I remember the passphrase on my iphone because it's Shakespeare's year of death.
I think that's exactly what I was saying from the start. You have precisely NO evidence that he was required to go and look for AVE4041 as opposed to using the appropriate-sized container which first came to hand when he needed it.
Why do you now introduce AVN7511? McKee's suitcase wasn't in 7511, which originated from the baggage build-up hall and contained luggage from the Heathrow check-in desks. If you're changing your story to suggest that the "Iranian gent" didn't go anywhere near the interline shed but in fact went to the baggage build-up shed to sabotage 7511, then you have to realise that's a huge alteration in your proposed scenario.
Why don't you look at the damage diagrams in the AAIB report. I haven't got to the bottom of them yet and it's problematic when I do, but I still trying to learn, rather than criticising uselessly.
Yes, I know that 7511 was next to 4041 in the plane and also damaged by the explosion. I also know it was loaded in the baggage build-up shed with suitcases from the Heathrow check-in desks. Any suggestion that this was the container that was sabotaged rather than 4041, completely knocks your entire theory about McKee's suitcase (from Larnaca) and the alleged transponder right out of court.
I already told you, I'm not going on Easter-egg hunts through lengthy documents. If you have a point to make regarding the AAIB report, make it. I hope it's better than the one where you interpret the statement that there was only one bomb to imply that the inspectors knew there were two but were cleverly hiding this knowledge behind particular wording.
What's wrong with good civil service wording. I'm quite practised at it myself.
I rather expect my critics to spend a little time reading and thinking about stuff rather than arguing from a position of incredulity.
Then please stop asserting stuff that is blatantly incredible on first principles.
A pound of Semtex can produce quite a bang, anyone watching the footage of the Wyatt tests can see that. Why don't you ask Jim Swire though? He was an army explosives operative when he did his National Service, before he went to medical school.
What's this about. Nobody is denying Pan Am 103 was destroyed at least in part by a Semtex explosive. And a little bit of knowledge gained in National Service, does not really count as expertise.
You seemed to be suggesting that people were describing a bigger explosion than could be accounted for by a pound of Semtex. I was merely commenting that a pound of Semtex looks quite spectacular.
And Robbie the Pict has an eyewitness who claims to have seen the intact plane crossing the A74 from west to east at only 500 feet before crash-landing on Lockerbie. Eyewitness testimony is frequently mistaken.
And Robbie the Pict has an eyewitness who claims to have seen the intact plane crossing the A74 from west to east at only 500 feet before crash-landing on Lockerbie. Eyewitness testimony is frequently mistaken.
Robbie the Pict is frequently mistaken. I do not regard him as a reliable analyst.
But we're talking about eye-witnesses. You seem to be prepared to believe one eye-witness because that story seems to fit your theory, but dismiss other eye-witnesses who say something different.
Oh dear, I'm sorry you're being suppressed. But here you are, discussing it freely on an open forum, and your article is still where you put it, unsabotaged, as far as I can see. Please explain why what was 14 seconds apart from what?
But the fact it is being suppressed in the interesting thing. Why?
Don't flatter yourself.
You're heading for trouble here too at the moment, but when trouble comes it will be because you're refusing to follow moderator instructions about using the quote tags, not because anyone wants to suppress you. Just as any trouble you're encountering at Wikipedia is bcause you're violating their site policies.
Oh Rolfe, you've got to do something for yourself. I'm looking at Fig B-4 od the AAIB report right now and it shows two debris trails, 2.4cm apart, which I think is a scaled 3.1km. At 800 kph, though the plane is slowing it would have taken 14 seconds between the appearance of the two trails.
Two trails, two explosions.
The norhern one is shorter and more densely populated (from the text in the report) than the southern one. Hence it was bigger and lower.
Two trails, two "halves" of the aircraft, heading in different directions.
Essentially hthe diagrams come from radar plots and the radr is cycling at 11 second intervals.
So 1st explosion happens. At 19:02:53 or 4 it is illumiated by the radar and Topp cries out. My Cia man pushes the trigger on the package bomb and seven seconds later (pager connection timer) the package bomb is detonated.
The CIA man has of course got a radar set and seen the first explosion because (a) its only on primary radar not secondary and (b) Topp sees 5 blobs (actually 4).
Then we get the second pass at 19:03:04 or thereabouts, followed by the report of crash and fire on the ground and the seismic report, calculated by AAIB later.
Please you've got to come up with an answer to why to debris trails. Hand waving just won't do. And I can bear a lazy investigator
I'll let Realdon deal with the radar and the remote-control explosion. This should be fun!
Rolfe.
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