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Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

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I detect some laziness in the perps on this one. Girlfriend looks too much like one of the crew members:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/th_lookalikeflight175.jpg?t=1283095450[/qimg]

Those who put this propaganda out needed to, you guessed it...

Do better

Note to those who can't wait to capitalize on claims of sympathy for victims:

Drop it. You are not more sympathetic to victims than I am. The victims families are among the leaders in calling attention to the fact that what happened on 9/11 has not ever been properly established.

Faux sympathy for victims does not help unravel 9/11 deception.

How can you simultaneously claim sympathy for the victims and that there were no victims?
 
Is this outlandish thread ever going to end? How much more BS can Jammy bring to the table without one shred of truth, much less proof.
Everyone has stood by for 91 pages of this BS while Jammy has made a complete fool of himself, and yet he still can’t stop trying to us that indeed he is a fool. Alright already, I believe you Jammy, you have convinced me, you are a fool.
One minute Jammy is trying show that no aircraft struck any buildings, and the next minute he is arguing that the radar data for said aircraft is wrong. He has said that there were no passengers or crew onboard the aircraft, and then stated that one of the passengers looked like one of the crew. He has argued that a space based weapon, which was not even off the drawing board is 2001, caused the destruction of the WTC towers, with no proof at all. This is only a partial list of the fallacies that have been presented.
So once again Jammy, what’s next? Try not to be such an epic failure on your next bid for attention.
 
I detect some laziness in the perps on this one. Girlfriend looks too much like one of the crew members:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/th_lookalikeflight175.jpg?t=1283095450[/qimg]

Those who put this propaganda out needed to, you guessed it...

Do better

Note to those who can't wait to capitalize on claims of sympathy for victims:

Drop it. You are not more sympathetic to victims than I am. The victims families are among the leaders in calling attention to the fact that what happened on 9/11 has not ever been properly established.

Faux sympathy for victims does not help unravel 9/11 deception.

Let's take a closer look:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=456&pictureid=3611[/qimg]

Well, they were both young and very pretty, which is about the only physical similarity I can see. But if all one prefers is a dried up, mentally ill old hag, I can see how one wouldn't notice the difference.

As was easily proven on just this one thing Jammonious, any fence sitters/lurkers can see your flaws now. The leads to the conclusion you can't or won't do better.
 
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Hi, new member here. I've been fascinated by this bizarre 'no planes' theory for some time, particularly the claim that only a handfull of (lying or mistaken) witnesses saw the planes hit the towers. Others have already outlined why this doesn't make sense on any level. This has been rejected by Jammonious as far as I can see.

Anyway, I came across an unusual testimony on youtube, the like of which I've never seen before. It's from a witness who only recently came across the 'no planes' theory and decided to respond with his own experience of that day (he saw the second plane). He's predictably come in for some flak from the 'no planes community' (for want of a better phrase!) but remains good humoured and seems even willing to debate them on camera.

As a newbie I can't post the vid but it's called 'Video response to "No Plane Theory" - my eyewitness account' from 'DanMcOgden1'.

I wonder what Jammonious would make of it - is this just another witness that falls into the category of 'lying or mistaken'?
 
Hi, new member here. I've been fascinated by this bizarre 'no planes' theory for some time, particularly the claim that only a handfull of (lying or mistaken) witnesses saw the planes hit the towers. Others have already outlined why this doesn't make sense on any level. This has been rejected by Jammonious as far as I can see.

Anyway, I came across an unusual testimony on youtube, the like of which I've never seen before. It's from a witness who only recently came across the 'no planes' theory and decided to respond with his own experience of that day (he saw the second plane). He's predictably come in for some flak from the 'no planes community' (for want of a better phrase!) but remains good humoured and seems even willing to debate them on camera.

As a newbie I can't post the vid but it's called 'Video response to "No Plane Theory" - my eyewitness account' from 'DanMcOgden1'.

I wonder what Jammonious would make of it - is this just another witness that falls into the category of 'lying or mistaken'?

FTF - Welcome to the boards!

To answer your question, Jammy will most likely:

a) Ignore your post.
b) Acknowledge your post, but spend most of the time politely ridiculing you for being a new member.
c) Acknowledge your post, but whine that there is not enough of what he deems as “evidence”.
d) A combination of (b) and (c).

If I were you, I’d pray for (a).

:covereyes
 
Hi, new member here. I've been fascinated by this bizarre 'no planes' theory for some time, particularly the claim that only a handfull of (lying or mistaken) witnesses saw the planes hit the towers. Others have already outlined why this doesn't make sense on any level. This has been rejected by Jammonious as far as I can see.

Anyway, I came across an unusual testimony on youtube, the like of which I've never seen before. It's from a witness who only recently came across the 'no planes' theory and decided to respond with his own experience of that day (he saw the second plane). He's predictably come in for some flak from the 'no planes community' (for want of a better phrase!) but remains good humoured and seems even willing to debate them on camera.

As a newbie I can't post the vid but it's called 'Video response to "No Plane Theory" - my eyewitness account' from 'DanMcOgden1'.

I wonder what Jammonious would make of it - is this just another witness that falls into the category of 'lying or mistaken'?


This is the video, right?:

 
FTF - Welcome to the boards!

To answer your question, Jammy will most likely:

a) Ignore your post.
b) Acknowledge your post, but spend most of the time politely ridiculing you for being a new member.
c) Acknowledge your post, but whine that there is not enough of what he deems as “evidence”.
d) A combination of (b) and (c).

If I were you, I’d pray for (a).

:covereyes
Thanks for the welcome!

Yeah, you're probably right. I just thought it might be worth pointing him to that vid as I've never seen a witness directly respond to 'no planes' in this way. He's always asking for witnesses to come forward - well, there's one who seems keen to talk to 'no planers' so maybe Jam should get in touch with him.
 
Thanks for the welcome!

Yeah, you're probably right. I just thought it might be worth pointing him to that vid as I've never seen a witness directly respond to 'no planes' in this way. He's always asking for witnesses to come forward - well, there's one who seems keen to talk to 'no planers' so maybe Jam should get in touch with him.

Dan Ogden would like responders to show their face and reveal their identity:

If you have a question or comment about my experience -- not crash physics, not implosions, not the Pentagon -- please leave a video response with your actual face in it, showing you speaking, and I'd be happy to respond if a response is warranted.
(from the notes that Dan included with his video)

I don't think jammonius would want to do that.
 
Dan Ogden would like responders to show their face and reveal their identity:




I don't think jammonius would want to do that.
Probably not, but I hope some other 'no planer' does - if they're so confident that their theories are correct surely they'd jump at this rare opportunuty.

Having said that, they're more likely to stick to the attitude expressed in comments like this:
Not credible at all.

You filthy lying scumbag.

Charming, arn't they.
 
When i saw through others quotes, the line of argument that jammonius is taking i was at first sickened, especially when i read the little piece that wasnt quoted about faux sympathy (talk about pot calling the kettle black). Now however, i just fee pity for him. Jam has to live with himself, knowing that he is walking on the graves of the dead passengers of those flights. You can have all the "speculation" you want, but in the end that is what he is doing...and he has to live with it.

I know what little i contribute or say here i can live with. He probably has himsElf convince to the point where he can as well...sad really.

TAM:)
 
Actually, several of your fellow posters are "denying that the radar data is said to end at 1000ft." They typically claim it ends at 2000ft.
Your make your assertion that the graph does not match the videos, both graphs end well above the videos start point so show no conflict. That is a fact.
NTSB did not include the 1000ft data on the graph. so its its not a valid data point (you also need a time for the 1000ft point in order to be able to plot it.)


Some come all the way down to 1500ft.

That was me, based on that laughable Truthers video. It too ends way above the point the videos start. So no conflict.

There exists, for them, an important cut-off point, otherwise it becomes too painfully obvious that the ALL43 video, you know, the subject matter of this thread, show shadow thingy imagery that is inconsistent with the radar data at 1000ft. Thus, the importance of shutting off the radar above the 1000ft level.

Feel free to find the data for 1000ft, you need to know the time that height was reached.

That point has been firmly established now for well over ten pages of this thread. It might even be a tad difficult to retrace the process whereby the radar data and the ALL43 videos mutually contradict one another, thereby falsifying BOTH data sources, but it's all in this thread.

Indeed you proved there was no conflict at all between the Radar data and the videos. I further showed that flightpath angle was such that it was well within aircraft capabilities and no dramatic pull out was required.

I am very pleased to be able to say that, by the way. :cool:
If looking like a fool makes you feel cool, go for it.



You may continue to believe whatever it is you believe for as long as you can believe, whatever it is. :p

I believe things based on evidence. Plane hit the towers.




No. Your claim is false. I make my claims and you make yours. You are not in a privileged position relative to 9/11. What happened on 9/11 has not ever been demonstrated with anything like proper forensic technique, let alone trustworthy investigatory outcomes.

To sane people it is the most proved event in world history.

That may be the major ASSUMPTION that simply has to be pointed out to people such as yourself for howsoever long it takes; namely:

What happened on 9/11 has not ever been properly demonstrated, proven or shown. The common storyline of 9/11 is just that; a storyline that is supported by propaganda, psyop tactics and jingoism.

Yet you can't show a single piece of evidence that would make anyone but a particularly ill educated fool think so.


You are not a jury of anything. You are a person making claims.
This is your thread! you made the claims on post one. I as a reader find you have failed to present even a vaguely plausible case for what you assert.

To the extent you claim adherence to the common storyline of 9/11, you are making claims that not only have not been proven, but which, in addition, rely on elements of proof that are plainly false. Like, for instance, the ALL43 videos and the alleged radar data, about which the statement "is it exercise or is it real world" has not ever been resolved.

please show us your proof then, you make the assertion, you provide the evidence.

You have not got any proof of the common storyline of 9/11 that is reliable and I here dare say that you will not even try to prove otherwise; and, more importantly, if you do, you will fail and fail miserably, just as those who claimed there are "1000s of witnesses" failed and failed miserably to prove that claim.

I see you are not familiar with how courts and proof works. There is way more than enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that planes hit the towers.

By the way, all of those failures of proof of the common storyline of 9/11 are exemplified in this thread.

Nope, all the videos show planes hitting the towers, the original hi res footage even more so. You have presented no plausible way that any let alone all the footage could have been faked. If even only one of them was real it is incontrovertible evidence that a plane hit the south Tower.:rolleyes:
 
AJM,

Surely there's enough for you to begin connecting the dots:

Your putting forth the idea that DEW and PSYOPs are not sufficiently well developed to have carried out 9/11 badly misses the point. Surely you recognize that the desire for a "new Pearl Harbor" was based precisely upon the perceived military advantage, namely a technological advantage centered in the US military-industrial-complex, that was brimming with new, untried, secretive goodies.

Is it asking too much for you to:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/th_connectdots.jpg?t=1283103162[/qimg]

:eye-poppi


What dots? There are no dots to join!
 
When i saw through others quotes, the line of argument that jammonius is taking i was at first sickened, especially when i read the little piece that wasnt quoted about faux sympathy (talk about pot calling the kettle black). Now however, i just fee pity for him. Jam has to live with himself, knowing that he is walking on the graves of the dead passengers of those flights. You can have all the "speculation" you want, but in the end that is what he is doing...and he has to live with it.

I know what little i contribute or say here i can live with. He probably has himsElf convince to the point where he can as well...sad really.

TAM:)

He may also be relatively high function autistic which might explain his failure to react normally to things like this. He tries to emulate what he thinks is an appropriate behavior but fails.
 
Dear readers, lurkers and victims families,

Jammy will probably explain how Dan Ogden is confused, how the fake video's have implanted the image in his brain (no video's from the west OMG!!1), that he only saw the explosion not the plane... And Jammy will in the same post manage to piss on the victims graves again. This all presented dressed in word salad.
 
Talking about connecting dots...

th_connectdots.jpg


Your post begs a number of questions, doesn't it...:D

When 911 truth connects the dots they put up Judy Wood and she connects them to make up a beam weapon which dustifies steel but does not harm people, and then the dustified steel, all of it regenerates so trucks can haul it out of the WTC complex. Now that is one magical beam weapon, like a transporter from Star Trek. If you want idiotic insane claims let Judy connect the dots.

If you want pure no plane dolt statements get Morgan Reynolds to make up idiotic stuff, he connects the dots and comes up with more insanity.

If you want the dots to go off into tangential madness, get Thermite Jones to connect the dots and you find out his insane claims of the United Stated caused the earthquake in Haiti. Now there is one super-nano-delusion maker 911 truth has to love.

911 truth, the only people on earth who can connect dots without any dots to connect, producing nut case delusions like Judy Wood can without using the brain, it is a built in reflex action; an automatic response of making up delusions.
 
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