No one is denying that the radar data is said to end at 1000ft! You use the graph to try to show there was no pull out of the dive but the graph ends at 2000ft (almost twice the height of the towers and certainly well above the impact point and before any of the videos capture the impact. Stop lying about this!
Actually, several of your fellow posters are "denying that the radar data is said to end at 1000ft." They typically claim it ends at 2000ft. Some come all the way down to 1500ft. There exists, for them, an important cut-off point, otherwise it becomes too painfully obvious that the ALL43 video, you know, the subject matter of this thread, show shadow thingy imagery that is inconsistent with the radar data at 1000ft. Thus, the importance of shutting off the radar above the 1000ft level.
That point has been firmly established now for well over ten pages of this thread. It might even be a tad difficult to retrace the process whereby the radar data and the ALL43 videos mutually contradict one another, thereby falsifying BOTH data sources, but it's all in this thread.
I am very pleased to be able to say that, by the way.
You may continue to believe whatever it is you believe for as long as you can believe, whatever it is.
Thank you for your suggestion; however, I think a useful purpose is being served by posting here.
You can continue to believe...
No. Your claim is false. I make my claims and you make yours. You are not in a privileged position relative to 9/11. What happened on 9/11 has not ever been demonstrated with anything like proper forensic technique, let alone trustworthy investigatory outcomes.
That may be the major ASSUMPTION that simply has to be pointed out to people such as yourself for howsoever long it takes; namely:
What happened on 9/11 has not ever been properly demonstrated, proven or shown. The common storyline of 9/11 is just that; a storyline that is supported by propaganda, psyop tactics and jingoism.
On the preceding paragraph, I stand.
You are not a jury of anything. You are a person making claims. To the extent you claim adherence to the common storyline of 9/11, you are making claims that not only have not been proven, but which, in addition, rely on elements of proof that are plainly false. Like, for instance, the ALL43 videos and the alleged radar data, about which the statement "is it exercise or is it real world" has not ever been resolved.
You have not got any proof of the common storyline of 9/11 that is reliable and I here dare say that you will not even try to prove otherwise; and, more importantly, if you do, you will fail and fail miserably, just as those who claimed there are "1000s of witnesses" failed and failed miserably to prove that claim.
By the way, all of those failures of proof of the common storyline of 9/11 are exemplified in this thread.
That, too, is something that I find useful, helpful and encouraging.
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TJM
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As opposed to your theories, which are based on hand waving, quote mining, cherry picking and extraordinarily bad videos used in attempt to advance a discussion about technologies that don't exist.
Bolding mine.....I find this particular statement interesting, as according to you they don't exist, never have, never boarded planes.
Even more interesting is the fact the story of Jennianne Maffeo. Jammy, since when do holograms carry jet fuel payloads?
Says Jammy who hand waves away the victims aboard the planes.
CompusMentus
Waiting for the Worms
The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Shawn M. Nassaney, 25, was a passenger on Flight 175. He lived in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Shawn worked in the sales department of American Power Conversion. He was travelling with his girlfriend Lynn Goodchild to Los Angeles Airport on their way to a connection for Maui, Hawaii.
Shawn and Lynn shared a love of sports and were inveterate travellers. They had already made several whirlwind trips together in 2001, in January to Palm Beach Florida for a college friends birthday party, to London for Valentines day, and in July to Disney World for Shawns birthday. The Hawaii trip was meant to be a last fling before they settled down to study and save for their future together.
Shawn left behind his father, Pat, mother Margaret, and two brothers, Ryan and Pat Jnr.
Shawn lived with his two brothers in a three-storey apartment building owned by his grandmother, Barbara Shaw. She said, "just because Shawn is not there, it will still be his apartment, it will be a little sanctuary for me."
Prior to Shawns death, his parents lived alone together near Pat Snr's place of work in Holyoke, Western Massachusetts. The distance from their remaining family became unbearable in the days following September 11 so they decided to move back nearer even though it would mean nearly three hours of commuting a day for Pat Snr.
Pat and Margaret chose to build a new, brick-fronted ranch. Moving day was a happy occasion. As he directed the movers, Pat joked that their next move would be "in a pine box." Still, several waves of grief washed over Margaret that day when she thought about the fact that Shawn would never be able to visit them in the new house.
It's like that a lot. Things can seem normal for a little while. Then the shadows creep in again. "The darkness is still there, you have to push it away," Pat Snr. said, "The loss hasn't lessened, but we all get a little stronger, and that allows us to beat those emotions back so they're not in our face. We're not going to live long enough to heal from this."
Source: HERE HERE HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Shawn M. Nassaney, 25, was a passenger on Flight 175. He lived in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Shawn worked in the sales department of American Power Conversion. He was travelling with his girlfriend Lynn Goodchild to Los Angeles Airport on their way to a connection for Maui, Hawaii.
Shawn and Lynn shared a love of sports and were inveterate travellers. They had already made several whirlwind trips together in 2001, in January to Palm Beach Florida for a college friends birthday party, to London for Valentines day, and in July to Disney World for Shawns birthday. The Hawaii trip was meant to be a last fling before they settled down to study and save for their future together.
Shawn left behind his father, Pat, mother Margaret, and two brothers, Ryan and Pat Jnr.
Shawn lived with his two brothers in a three-storey apartment building owned by his grandmother, Barbara Shaw. She said, "just because Shawn is not there, it will still be his apartment, it will be a little sanctuary for me."
Prior to Shawns death, his parents lived alone together near Pat Snr's place of work in Holyoke, Western Massachusetts. The distance from their remaining family became unbearable in the days following September 11 so they decided to move back nearer even though it would mean nearly three hours of commuting a day for Pat Snr.
Pat and Margaret chose to build a new, brick-fronted ranch. Moving day was a happy occasion. As he directed the movers, Pat joked that their next move would be "in a pine box." Still, several waves of grief washed over Margaret that day when she thought about the fact that Shawn would never be able to visit them in the new house.
It's like that a lot. Things can seem normal for a little while. Then the shadows creep in again. "The darkness is still there, you have to push it away," Pat Snr. said, "The loss hasn't lessened, but we all get a little stronger, and that allows us to beat those emotions back so they're not in our face. We're not going to live long enough to heal from this."
Source: HERE HERE HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
Bell,
There is no reason for either naivety or myopia here. Sympathy for persons who are missing and presumed dead has not got anything in fact or in logic to do with whether or not 9/11 was a psyop designed to make people think jetliners had been hijacked and later crashed in order to justify a sea change in public opposition to massive funding of the MIC's warring objectives.
Discernment of that which is real, disspelling of that which is illusion, dissipation of that which encourages "us versus them" thinking are what we are called upon to do here.
In addition to our posts having a literal content, our posts also have broader meaning and additional messages they intend to convey.
Evoking sympathy for victims in the manner you are doing, Bell, and in the even worse manner that Compus is carrying out, serves a number of purposes.
Correct me if I am wrong, but are not the following the purposes sought to be advanced by the way in which you use sympathy for victims:
1--Serves as a substitute for actual proof of what happened on 9/11.
2--Serves to justify expenditure of unlimited $$$ on warring against any country that can be linked, however remotely, however indirectly and however fraudulently, to 'harboring the terrorists' who hijacked jetliners and crashed them into the WTC, the Pentagon and a field in PA, for good measure.
3--Serves to justify infringement upon human rights to freedom of movement and of expression.
In lauding your sympathy for victims, which is, in reality, exploitation of them to change the subject away from that which is real and over into acceptance of that which is illusion, you do yourself a disservice.
Please try to regain the ability to think things through, absent the emotional baggage that distorts the ability to think clearly and to call attention to the destruction we are witnessing.
The victims and their families do not benefit by your form of sympathy.
The military-industrial-complex reaps that benefit in the form of unquestioned and unlimited funding, despite the country being bankrupted as a result of the warring and the war crimes being conducted in our name.
All the best in the hoped for resurgence in the ability to think things through.
Sincere good luck
Can I have "Word Salad" for $50 please, Alex?
CompusMentus
Waiting for the Worms
The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Marie Pappalardo, 53, was a passenger on Flight 175. She lived in Paramount, California. Marie was returning home after visiting her daughter, Maria Koutny in Boston. Marie worked as a Controller and Production Manager at ALA Foods in California.
A tribute left by her daughter at legacy.com:
Source: HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Marie Pappalardo, 53, was a passenger on Flight 175. She lived in Paramount, California. Marie was returning home after visiting her daughter, Maria Koutny in Boston. Marie worked as a Controller and Production Manager at ALA Foods in California.
A tribute left by her daughter at legacy.com:
Maria Kountny and family at legacy.com said:
Source: HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
And it's what we are doing. The reality is there are thousands of eyewitnesses that you cannot hand wave away, They're in Manhattan and Washington DC. The reality is you cannot hand wave away the victims and their families that you marginalize, the reality is the technology for your holograms and your spaced based dew-hickey does not exist.
You encourage the "us versus them" thinking yourself by coming to this board and trying to get us on board with all this nonsense.
Now wrap that all that BS in a pretty package and try to push it off as an anti-war message. Nice try.
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I detect some laziness in the perps on this one. Girlfriend looks too much like one of the crew members:
Those who put this propaganda out needed to, you guessed it...
Do better
Note to those who can't wait to capitalize on claims of sympathy for victims:
Drop it. You are not more sympathetic to victims than I am. The victims families are among the leaders in calling attention to the fact that what happened on 9/11 has not ever been properly established.
Faux sympathy for victims does not help unravel 9/11 deception.
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You really think those two women look that much alike? Other than the fact that they are both brunette how do they look alike?
Eta: even if they did look similar, so what? My wife looks a lot like porn star Blair Segal,
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AJM,
Surely there's enough for you to begin connecting the dots:
Your putting forth the idea that DEW and PSYOPs are not sufficiently well developed to have carried out 9/11 badly misses the point. Surely you recognize that the desire for a "new Pearl Harbor" was based precisely upon the perceived military advantage, namely a technological advantage centered in the US military-industrial-complex, that was brimming with new, untried, secretive goodies.
Is it asking too much for you to:
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
I detect some laziness in the perps on this one. Girlfriend looks too much like one of the crew members:
Those who put this propaganda out needed to, you guessed it...
Do better
Let's take a closer look:
Well, they were both young and very pretty, which is about the only physical similarity I can see. But if all one prefers is a dried up, mentally ill old hag, I can see how one wouldn't notice the difference.
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CompusMentus
Waiting for the Worms
We now clarify the jammonius list of stock answers a little (see bolded)
DNA evidence? Planted.
Radar tracks? Falsified.
Video? Faked.
Audio? Inconclusive.
Eyewitnesses? Duped.
News Reports? Fabricated.
Expert Testimony? Corrupt .
Non-truther sources? Propaganda.
Passengers? Vicsims.
Debris? Bogus.
Documentary Evidence? Psyops.
Empirical Data? Superfluous.
Energy Requirements? Unnecessary.
Compus
DNA evidence? Planted.
Radar tracks? Falsified.
Video? Faked.
Audio? Inconclusive.
Eyewitnesses? Duped.
News Reports? Fabricated.
Expert Testimony? Corrupt .
Non-truther sources? Propaganda.
Passengers? Vicsims.
Debris? Bogus.
Documentary Evidence? Psyops.
Empirical Data? Superfluous.
Energy Requirements? Unnecessary.
Compus
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
AJM,
Surely there's enough for you to begin connecting the dots:
Your putting forth the idea that DEW and PSYOPs are not sufficiently well developed to have carried out 9/11 badly misses the point. Surely you recognize that the desire for a "new Pearl Harbor" was based precisely upon the perceived military advantage, namely a technological advantage centered in the US military-industrial-complex, that was brimming with new, untried, secretive goodies.
Is it asking too much for you to:
Surely there's enough for you to realize that you've droned on over the course of many threads without giving one bit of evidence of this grand pysop based on non-existent technologies and it appears you'll keep up this ridiculous pattern as long as you can.
Is it asking too much for you to:
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CompusMentus
Waiting for the Worms
The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Patrick Quigley, 40, was a passenger on Flight 175. He lived in Wellesley, Massachusetts. Patrick was a partner at PriceWaterhouse Cooper.
Patrick left behind a wife, Patricia (Patti) and daughter Rachel aged 5. Patti was pregnant with their second child, Leah, at the time of her husband's death.
Patrick was also survived his father, Patrick J. Quigley, his mother, Mi Ja Kim Quigley and brother and sister, John Vincent Quigley and Ruth Quigley-Lawrence.
Patrick enjoyed collecting wine and maintained an extensive collection from around the world. Also, he was a gifted artist who enjoyed painting and drawing.
Rachel once asked her mother if she would ever remarry. Patti answered maybe. Hers was a world of home, parent social committees, and the gym, so it was hard to meet anyone. It was way too soon for her, but she wouldn't say never. "I'm not stupid," she said, "I think I would miss having a relationship with a male."
Some people might gasp, but it's part of Patti's practical nature. The thing that actually made her feel as if she was betraying her husband was when she was so caught up with the children, errands, and the avalanche of 9/11 paperwork that "you go through the whole day and you haven't thought about the person you love," she said, choking up late one night over a glass of Beaujolais from Patrick's collection. "You've been so busy, and then you feel guilty. That is the hardest."
Patrick and Patti Quigley and their daughter Rachel.
Source: HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Patrick Quigley, 40, was a passenger on Flight 175. He lived in Wellesley, Massachusetts. Patrick was a partner at PriceWaterhouse Cooper.
Patrick left behind a wife, Patricia (Patti) and daughter Rachel aged 5. Patti was pregnant with their second child, Leah, at the time of her husband's death.
Patrick was also survived his father, Patrick J. Quigley, his mother, Mi Ja Kim Quigley and brother and sister, John Vincent Quigley and Ruth Quigley-Lawrence.
Patrick enjoyed collecting wine and maintained an extensive collection from around the world. Also, he was a gifted artist who enjoyed painting and drawing.
Rachel once asked her mother if she would ever remarry. Patti answered maybe. Hers was a world of home, parent social committees, and the gym, so it was hard to meet anyone. It was way too soon for her, but she wouldn't say never. "I'm not stupid," she said, "I think I would miss having a relationship with a male."
Some people might gasp, but it's part of Patti's practical nature. The thing that actually made her feel as if she was betraying her husband was when she was so caught up with the children, errands, and the avalanche of 9/11 paperwork that "you go through the whole day and you haven't thought about the person you love," she said, choking up late one night over a glass of Beaujolais from Patrick's collection. "You've been so busy, and then you feel guilty. That is the hardest."
Patrick and Patti Quigley and their daughter Rachel.
Source: HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
Back and to the left, Jammy, back and to the left. You have NO sympathies to the victims WHATSOEVER. You are incapable of empathy. Keep hand waving the victims away. The lurkers and victims families understand that you are not well and you need help.
Sabretooth
No Ordinary Rabbit
Surely there's enough for you to realize that you've droned on over the course of many threads without giving one bit of evidence of this grand pysop based on non-existent technologies and it appears you'll keep up this ridiculous pattern as long as you can.
Is it asking too much for you to:
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OT - where do I get one of those mugs!? That's awesome
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