There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The holohoax is completely preposterous on its face.

We've been telling you lot that. Why do you keep perpetrating it? You've failed, as always, yet you keep the Nazi party line close like it's all you've got. Come to think of it . . .

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Not even with this?

President Bu... Saggy doesn't care about black people.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

...gassed and buried cremated. And still therefore no bodies.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Mojo]

When I posted the OP I thought I'd have to do a little research to back up the claim. But, given the idiotic responses, none has been required thus far.

I anticipated the Belsen photos, and now see that they still the hoaxers only 'evidence' of the hoax. So I'll respond to them now, not for the hoaxers, but for those not students of the hoax.

First, what is the holohoax? From the USHMM ...

Between 1941 and 1944, Nazi German authorities deported millions of Jews from Germany, from occupied territories, and from the countries of many of its Axis allies to ghettos and to killing centers, often called extermination camps, where they were murdered in specially developed gassing facilities.

According to the Auschwitz museum, Jews arriving at the camps were immediately on arrival registered in the camp for labor or sent to the gas chambers (ref: http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109&Itemid=8) This 'explains' why there is no record of the Jews killed in the holohoax. The records for the registered prisoners that were killed were captured by the Soviets and are available now.


Now, believe it or not, out of 20,000 or so camps and detention centers, there are only 6 hoax 'extermination camps'. So, the holohoax took place at these camps. This is where the mass graves should exist.

But, there are no mass graves at the extermination camps.


The mass graves that exist are at camps in Germany where many prisoners died at the end of the war due to disease. At Belsen alone, where many of the pictures were taken by the allied troops, 35,000 died at the end of the war (ref: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm.

The fact that these prisoners were alive at or near the end of the war is not proof of the holohoax, it directly contradicts the holohoax, which states that Jews were killed immediately on arrival at the camp. Had there been an effort to exterminate Jews, these Jews would have been long dead. Also, there was no selection of Jews at the camps, and only a percentage of the typhus victims were Jews.

Moreover, the worst disease afflicting the camps was typhus, and the Nazis took every measure to combat the disease which killed prisoner and guard alike. Typhus is spread by lice, and the Nazis shaved the heads of prisoners, gave the prisoners frequent showers, and fumigated clothing in special fumigation rooms, to kill lice to prevent typhus. These life saving measures were the used by the Zionists as the basis of the 'homicidal gas chamber' disguised as a shower room hoax.


There is a second part to the hoax, that the Einsatzgruppen, Nazi soldiers that followed the troops into Eastern Europe to suppress partisan resistance, also targeted Jews, so mass graves also should in Eastern Europe.

I think there may be some excavated 'mass' (100 or so bodies) graves in Lithuania, where the Lithuanians went after the Jews. But, I have not seen any documentation.

In the course of googling about I see that Mattogno and Graf have also said that there are no mass graves, and this has been answered on the hoaxer side by R. Muelenkamp, who uses as a reference the Black Book of Jewry by Grossman and Ehrenberg, this book is the classic Soviet hoax book, full of complete absurdities (see http://www.holohoax101.com/102/). Hence, to avoid having to respond to this type of idiocy, I am only looking for wiki verified mass graves.

Note that requiring wiki verification is not an overly restrictive requirement, as wiki documents the Babi Yar mass grave, and these is not a body to be found there, or any sign that anyone was every buried there. And, there are no investigations or excavations, which is invariably the case with hoax mass graves.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2000/115.html

 

[Saggy]

Fixed that for you.

Not that it makes any difference to the Zionist flack, but the bodies at Treblinka were buried. There was no crematorium. And even if there had been, 20,000 a day, or 10,000 a day, or 1000 a day, or 100 a day, are all preposterous numbers.

HTH

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Not that it makes any difference to the Zionist flack, but the bodies at Treblinka were buried. There was no crematorium. And even if there had been, 20,000 a day, or 10,000 a day, or 1000 a day, or 100 a day, are all preposterous numbers.

HTH

Odd, coming from one renown for preposterous statement.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Not that it makes any difference to the Zionist flack, but the bodies at Treblinka were buried. There was no crematorium. And even if there had been, 20,000 a day, or 10,000 a day, or 1000 a day, or 100 a day, are all preposterous numbers.

HTH

That there was no conventional crematorium building does not mean that the bodies were not burned. If you have reliable information to contradict this, I suggest you deploy it to correct Wikipedia for a start and then inform each of its sources why you think they're wrong. Good luck with that.

 

[MG1962]

Not that it makes any difference to the Zionist flack, but the bodies at Treblinka were buried. There was no crematorium. And even if there had been, 20,000 a day, or 10,000 a day, or 1000 a day, or 100 a day, are all preposterous numbers.

HTH

And who exactly is claiming 20,000 or 10,000 a day?

 

[eerok]

Not that it makes any difference to the Zionist flack, but the bodies at Treblinka were buried. There was no crematorium. And even if there had been, 20,000 a day, or 10,000 a day, or 1000 a day, or 100 a day, are all preposterous numbers.

What's truly preposterous is that you can cite evidence that completely contradicts your position without your head exploding.

You cited this page which debunks your claims:

In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding. At a distance of some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

...the bodies at Treblinka were buried. There was no crematorium.

Wow. I'm amazed at how dishonest Saggy is willing to be. Yes, there was no crematorium at Trablinka. Historians are well aware that at that camp they chose to use open pits to cremate the dead. Yet, the way you stated that information, you're clearly trying to make it out as though there were no cremations there at all.

What a lie. And how incredible is it that Saggy is willing to commit such a distortion?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And how incredible is it that Saggy is willing to commit such a distortion?

"In other news, water is wet."

 

[ElMondoHummus]

"In other news, water is wet."

The sky is blue, Franco is dead, yadda yadda... yeah, it's all obvious. Holocaust deniers have nothing but distortions of fact to present. I'm less underlining amazement at Saggy himself (he was dealt with in the 9/11 CT area, and it's already obvious how he operates) and more highlighting the sort of tactic Holocaust deniers use. If you didn't know about the cremation pits, his statement could indeed end up looking like a rebuttal to the notion of cremation at Treblinka. After all, if the facilities were missing, how'd it happen, right? Well, the truth is, formal facilities were not needed, the open air pits did just fine, but that's a shade of a distinction that people like Saggy gloss over. He wants people to believe the Holocaust didn't happen. And he's demonstrated that he's willing to lie to make that argument.

Disgusting.

 

[Ocelot]

In 1832 there was a massacre of 57 Irish workers in Pennsylvania. The killings were covered up as cholera deaths, and the bodies buried in a mass grave. Rumors persisted,

So there was some doubt then.

and the grave was excavated recently and the crime revealed, investigation is ongoing ....

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...die-of-cholera-or-were-they-murdered/19606498

Contrast this to the non-existent investigations of the non-existent mass graves of the holohoax.

Absolutely, no excavation. This shows us that no sane person doubts the meticulously documented exterminations enough to disturb the remains.

The insane person suggests first that there's no mass grave, and then that there are mass grave but that they are full of typhus victims rather than victims of gassing.

Shall we mention the crematoria you don't think existed either?

 

[Saggy]

And who exactly is claiming 20,000 or 10,000 a day?

Wiernik is the authoritative hoax reference for Treblinka. From Wiernik, 'A Year At Treblinka' ....

"On a typical day at Treblinka, 10000-12000 people were murdered (p. 16); with a daily high of about 20000 victims (p. 21). At first the victims were buried ...

 

[Skwinty]

Wiernik is the authoritative hoax reference for Treblinka.

And you are the authoritative hoax reference for Holohoax

 

[Saggy]

What a lie. And how incredible is it that Saggy is willing to commit such a distortion?

There was not a single cremation. According to Wiernik they first buried the bodies.

So, according to the hoax the bodies were first buried, then after the Nazis discovered and investigated the mass grave at Katyn, the Nazis realized that they were leaving evidence of their crimes and decided to dig up and burn the buried bodies. This is pure phantasmagoria and there is not a shred of evidence to support it. It's preposterous on its face.

 

[Saggy]

And you are the authoritative hoax reference for Holohoax

Hardly. The authoritative source is 'The Hoax of the Twentieth Century" by Northwestern Prof. Arthur Butz.

 

[Skwinty]

Hardly. The authoritative source is 'The Hoax of the Twentieth Century" by Northwestern Prof. Arthur Butz.

Sixty of Butz's colleagues from the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science faculty signed a censure describing Butz's Holocaust denial as "an affront to our humanity and our standards as scholars".[6] The letter also called for Butz to "leave our Department and our University and stop trading on our reputation for academic excellence."[6]
University President Henry S. Bienen issued a statement strongly rejecting Butz's positions and distancing the university from them:

Northwestern University Associate Professor Arthur Butz recently issued a statement commending Iranian President Ahmadinejad's assertion that the Holocaust never happened. Butz is a Holocaust denier who has made similar assertions previously. His latest statement, like his earlier writings and pronouncements, is a contemptible insult to all decent and feeling people. While I hope everyone understands that Butz's opinions are his own and in no way represent the views of the University or me personally, his reprehensible opinions on this issue are an embarrassment to Northwestern. There is no question that the Holocaust is a well-documented historical fact. The University has a professorship in Holocaust Studies endowed by the Holocaust Educational Foundation. Northwestern offers courses in Holocaust Studies and organizes conferences of academic scholars who teach in areas relating to the Holocaust. In addition, Northwestern hosts a summer Institute for Holocaust and Jewish Civilization. And most recently, a fellowship in the political science department has been established in my name by the Holocaust Educational Foundation. In short, Northwestern University has contributed significantly to the scholarly research of the Holocaust and remains committed to doing so.
Butz is a tenured associate professor in electrical engineering. Like all faculty members, he is entitled to express his personal views, including on his personal web pages, as long as he does not represent such opinions as the views of the University. Butz has made clear that his opinions are his own and at no time has he discussed those views in class or made them part of his class curriculum. Therefore, we cannot take action based on the content of what Butz says regarding the Holocaust - however odious it may be - without undermining the vital principle of intellectual freedom that all academic institutions serve to protect.
Henry S. Bienen
President[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Butz

Looks like he got up everyones butz too.

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[ElMondoHummus]

There was not a single cremation. According to Wiernik they first buried the bodies.

This time you outright lied.

Jacob Wiernik, who was in the "etermination area," describes the fire itself:

"It was genuine hell. From a distance it looked like a volcanic eruption boiling up through the earth's surface and spreading flames and lava. Everything around was caught up in the noise and turmoil. At night the smoke, fire, and heat were unbearable..."
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From Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps

Wiernik personally witnessed a burning of corpses. Read the context of the quote I excerpted; it was definitely a "roast" (the book's author's word choice, not mine) of executed corpses at Treblinka.

And even if Wiernik had never witnessed a mass cremation, your point still would be contradicted by the presence of the ashes, which have been shown to be human remains. Eerok noted this above. You're wrong on two counts. Your claim is refuted. Oddly enough by sources you yourself cite. Maybe you should read them for comprehension next time, no?

 

[eerok]

The authoritative source is 'The Hoax of the Twentieth Century" by Northwestern Prof. Arthur Butz.

You and Butz share the same amount of credibility, which is zero. The evidence that contradicts your position is overwhelming.