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There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims.

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When I posted the OP I thought I'd have to do a little research to back up the claim. But, given the idiotic responses, none has been required thus far.

I anticipated the Belsen photos, and now see that they still the hoaxers only 'evidence' of the hoax. So I'll respond to them now, not for the hoaxers, but for those not students of the hoax.

First, what is the holohoax? From the USHMM ...

Between 1941 and 1944, Nazi German authorities deported millions of Jews from Germany, from occupied territories, and from the countries of many of its Axis allies to ghettos and to killing centers, often called extermination camps, where they were murdered in specially developed gassing facilities.

According to the Auschwitz museum, Jews arriving at the camps were immediately on arrival registered in the camp for labor or sent to the gas chambers (ref: http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109&Itemid=8) This 'explains' why there is no record of the Jews killed in the holohoax. The records for the registered prisoners that were killed were captured by the Soviets and are available now.


Now, believe it or not, out of 20,000 or so camps and detention centers, there are only 6 hoax 'extermination camps'. So, the holohoax took place at these camps. This is where the mass graves should exist.

But, there are no mass graves at the extermination camps.


The mass graves that exist are at camps in Germany where many prisoners died at the end of the war due to disease. At Belsen alone, where many of the pictures were taken by the allied troops, 35,000 died at the end of the war (ref: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm.

The fact that these prisoners were alive at or near the end of the war is not proof of the holohoax, it directly contradicts the holohoax, which states that Jews were killed immediately on arrival at the camp. Had there been an effort to exterminate Jews, these Jews would have been long dead. Also, there was no selection of Jews at the camps, and only a percentage of the typhus victims were Jews.

Moreover, the worst disease afflicting the camps was typhus, and the Nazis took every measure to combat the disease which killed prisoner and guard alike. Typhus is spread by lice, and the Nazis shaved the heads of prisoners, gave the prisoners frequent showers, and fumigated clothing in special fumigation rooms, to kill lice to prevent typhus. These life saving measures were the used by the Zionists as the basis of the 'homicidal gas chamber' disguised as a shower room hoax.


There is a second part to the hoax, that the Einsatzgruppen, Nazi soldiers that followed the troops into Eastern Europe to suppress partisan resistance, also targeted Jews, so mass graves also should in Eastern Europe.

I think there may be some excavated 'mass' (100 or so bodies) graves in Lithuania, where the Lithuanians went after the Jews. But, I have not seen any documentation.

In the course of googling about I see that Mattogno and Graf have also said that there are no mass graves, and this has been answered on the hoaxer side by R. Muelenkamp, who uses as a reference the Black Book of Jewry by Grossman and Ehrenberg, this book is the classic Soviet hoax book, full of complete absurdities (see http://www.holohoax101.com/102/). Hence, to avoid having to respond to this type of idiocy, I am only looking for wiki verified mass graves.

Note that requiring wiki verification is not an overly restrictive requirement, as wiki documents the Babi Yar mass grave, and these is not a body to be found there, or any sign that anyone was every buried there. And, there are no investigations or excavations, which is invariably the case with hoax mass graves.
 
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Originally Posted by Saggy
When I posted the OP I thought I'd have to do a little research to back up the claim. But, given the idiotic responses, none has been required thus far.

Nothing could be more idiotic than your OP.We've done our best.
 
In 1832 there was a massacre of 57 Irish workers in Pennsylvania. The killings were covered up as cholera deaths, and the bodies buried in a mass grave. Rumors persisted, and the grave was excavated recently and the crime revealed, investigation is ongoing ....

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/duffys-cut-mass-grave-in-pennsylvania-did-irish-immigrants-die-of-cholera-or-were-they-murdered/19606498

Contrast this to the non-existent investigations of the non-existent mass graves of the holohoax.
 
In 1832 there was a massacre of 57 Irish workers in Pennsylvania. The killings were covered up as cholera deaths, and the bodies buried in a mass grave. Rumors persisted, and the grave was excavated recently and the crime revealed, investigation is ongoing ....

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/duffys-cut-mass-grave-in-pennsylvania-did-irish-immigrants-die-of-cholera-or-were-they-murdered/19606498

Contrast this to the non-existent investigations of the non-existent mass graves of the holohoax.

So, how do you deny the mass graves that have been found? Not dead enough? Not facing Mecca? Poorly dressed corpses? Please give us your best "La, la, la, la, la".
 
You know, CTs and Holocaust denial have never been things I've been as interested in as other subjects over the years. However, I'd just like say that this is some of the most worthless, dangerous, delusional **** I've ever seen.
 
In 1832 there was a massacre of 57 Irish workers in Pennsylvania. The killings were covered up as cholera deaths, and the bodies buried in a mass grave. Rumors persisted, and the grave was excavated recently and the crime revealed, investigation is ongoing ....

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...die-of-cholera-or-were-they-murdered/19606498

Contrast this to the non-existent investigations of the non-existent mass graves of the holohoax.
Where do neoNAZIs come up with the anti-intellectual claptrap they regurgitate like "good NAZIs"?? You posted evidence which rebuts your holocaust never happened; are you saying the holocaust never happened? My dad liberated camps; oops it happened; my dad was a witness. Hitler made it clear he was going to eradicate Jews and other people he decided were not "Germans", or idiot NAZIs. Why are neoNAZIs not proud of Hitler's acts? Are neoNAZIs challenged to figure out Hitler meant to get rid of all Jews and he failed because he was a dirt dumb NAZI.

Are Holocaust deniers NAZIs? Why don't they support Hitler's failed attempt to kill those they hate as scapegoats? Are holocaust deniers trying to apologize for Hitler by saying he never did it; does this mean they are stupid and not NAZIs, or just stupid and NAZIs? Hitler was responsible for killing millions of Jews and other people deemed to be outside of the master race of moron NAZIs.

Hitler wants his neoNAZI Holocaust deniers to be proud of hate, and killing; he spells it out in his book! Reading is fundamental! RIF! If you are a NAZI, you can stop trying to apologize for Hitler, he meant to kill much more, his plan was stopped by the greatest generation which believed in education, art, and more; things not in the playbook of neoNAZI pee-brains.

Do holocaust deniers miss some of the goals of Hitler, thus making a bigger failure out of Hitler. Ironic, by denying the Holocaust, people make Hitler a bigger failure; did they fail to read his book? Do they miss goose stepping idiots? Burning books? What is up with holocaust deniers?

Why do you act like a Holocaust denier? Are you?
 
Seriously, how could anyone take this guy seriously with his chanting of "holohoax" in every breath. I have no doubt that amongst his little wannabe nazi buddies they probably giggle like beavis and butthead every time one of them utters the word because that is about the level of mentality and maturity we are dealing with here.

As is typical, all we have is some kook who's been programmed like a drone to make ridiculous statements over and over while completely ignoring all evidence put forth. Like this somehow proves anything other than their serious delusion and dishonesty. Like come on, seriously... Almost every kook, in almost every topic on this entire forum plays that very same game repeatedly and they all look dumb doing so.

Anyone with even a single functioning braincell knows about the neo-nazi game and that they are simply bigots that are motivated by hating on "da jooooz" because that's the only way bigots can figure out to make themselves not feel like the losers that they are.

It's not like this crap is new...
 
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As is typical, all we have is some kook who's been programmed like a drone to make ridiculous statements over and over while completely ignoring all evidence put forth. Like this somehow proves anything other than their serious delusion and dishonesty. Like come on, seriously... Almost every kook, in almost every topic on this entire forum plays that very same game repeatedly and they all look dumb doing so.
Yeah, there's a pattern shared by many kooks: hyper-focusing on pet trivialities that they think falsify well-established positions; word games and dictionary arguments; straw men, equivocations, and other logical fallacies; failure to understand concepts like burden of proof, objectivity, and evidence; and sheer pig-headedness.

The neo-nazis are more despicable than the usual kook, though, because of the sheer hatefulness of what they stand for.
 
Saggy is it your opinion that it is a good thing that the holocaust didn't happen, or a bad thing that it didn't happen?
 
Funnier still when you consider that the Aryans came from the Indian sub-continent and the Neo-Nasties consider the Indians to be among the "dark-skinned races".

And the Gypsies were descendents of those people, and thus were a good deal more "Aryan" than the Germans.
 
There is a second part to the hoax, that the Einsatzgruppen, Nazi soldiers that followed the troops into Eastern Europe to suppress partisan resistance, also targeted Jews, so mass graves also should in Eastern Europe.

I think there may be some excavated 'mass' (100 or so bodies) graves in Lithuania, where the Lithuanians went after the Jews. But, I have not seen any documentation.

Thunder provided documentation, although it's probably true that you didn't see it. Why bother looking?

By coincidence, I will be in Berlin tomorrow. Maybe I'll see some documentation there. They are so convinced by this hoax that they've put up whole museums about them.

As a side question, do you have any clue what use those large ovens found at the camps may have been useful for?
 
Hmm. Millions deported to the camps, where thousands die of typhus at the end of the war. No mass graves big enough for the remainder, so where are all the missing Jews? Bit of a conundrum.

And speaking of puzzles, what were those big furnaces for? It's a head-scratcher, sure enough.
 
Hmm. Millions deported to the camps, where thousands die of typhus at the end of the war. No mass graves big enough for the remainder, so where are all the missing Jews? Bit of a conundrum.

And speaking of puzzles, what were those big furnaces for? It's a head-scratcher, sure enough.

To heat the swimming pools. Duh!
 
Hmm. Millions deported to the camps, where thousands die of typhus at the end of the war. No mass graves big enough for the remainder, so where are all the missing Jews? Bit of a conundrum.

And speaking of puzzles, what were those big furnaces for? It's a head-scratcher, sure enough.
Well, you know how casual the Germans were about record keeping and fences and stuff. They probably just wandered off.
 
To heat the swimming pools. Duh!

When something makes me laugh, I normally put a :) in my reply. Given the morose nature of the subject matter of the thread, just a plain old :) seemed inappropriate, but....that was funny.
 
When I posted the OP I thought I'd have to do a little research to back up the claim.
You really should have done some research first.....let me destroy you quickly..


Now, believe it or not, out of 20,000 or so camps and detention centers, there are only 6 hoax 'extermination camps'. So, the holohoax took place at these camps. This is where the mass graves should exist. But, there are no mass graves at the extermination camps.

Lets us start with Treblinka.
1) Here are photos of the mass graves a Treblinka.
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp41.jpg
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/images/traces of the treblinka camp.jpg

2) How do we know that the death toll was over 800,000?
1) Stangl, the C.O. of Treblinka confessed that over 800,000 people were executed at Treblinka.
2) We have internal telegrams to Eichman confirming 713,000 were executed prior to 30Dec42 ( The Hofle Telegram, discovered in 2001)
3) We have copies of SS documents listing 330,000 mens overcoats, 26,000 children's aprons etc etc taken from Treblinka indicating about 800,000 people were executed there.
4) We have copies of SS internal documents confirming the gold taken from Treblinka victims teeth going to Warsaw. 18-36kilograms a week according to the SS document.
5) We have train records of prisoners going to Treblinka and none bringing them back or taking them to somewhere else.
6) We have many photo of the bodies and cremation ash residual from a Polish investigation after the war. They dug pits and found body parts.


In the course of googling about I see that Mattogno and Graf have also said that there are no mass graves,
Graf is currently in Iran working for Amadinejad. Graf has never been to Treblinka. He has warrants out for his arrest.

I am only looking for wiki verified mass graves.
The Polish report was issued to the Polish government in Polish and not wikipedia. I assume as you cant find a "Where's Waldo" book on the holocaust either, also giving you doubt. We use these new technology called "books"
 
Lets us start with Treblinka.


Bad choice, I'm familiar with this one. Better go back to Skeptics Forum .... LOL .... where you get your *** kicked every day !

Here's a link to summary of the Polish investigation looking for mass graves at Treblinka .....

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/07/polish-investigations-of-treblinka.html

Here's the summarizing sentence ...

"The Examining Judge of Siedlce, on November 13, 1945, rules in consideration of the fact that with great probability no mass graves are any longer to be found on the grounds of the former camp today, as is to be concluded from the witness testimonies examined so far and from the results of the works carried out at the site, and in consideration of the oncoming autumn, the present rainfall and the necessity of a rapid conclusion of the judicial preliminary investigations, in view of all these facts to stop the work on the territory of the former death camp Treblinka."


Also you figures for total number of deaths at Treblinka is in error, as we have a much higher figure from Yankel Wiernik, the most reliable hoax witness at Treblinka, who states that three million total were killed there, with as many as 20,000 a day. All with a staff of 20 Nazis and 100 Ukrainians ! 20000 a day gassed and buried. And still no bodies. The holohoax is completely preposterous on its face.
 
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